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Aug 11, 2017 at 7:48 PM
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UPDATE:
If anyone (Besides a dev) Can beat this, Normal Mode, KAIZO mode, under 8 minutes. I will credit you somewhere for going through the trouble
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 7:32 AM
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As somebody who has made a similar mod in the past (while terrible), this one has some things going for it;
Let us begin:
-I will keep a death counter-

Cool start, it doesn't serve too much a purpose but I don't mind, it's original to say the least!

So below is the "load" button which visually doesn't exist but I can look past that as long as you get rid of the Profile.dat given with the mod files.
I will be starting out on easy mode for fun just to get my toes wet.
I like the waiting room, the computer even mentions it, which is cute.

I guess this Quote hasn't learned to read....shame.

Ok let's get our bearings down for a second:
We have the snake, 65 ammo spur, and a blade.....seems fair enough.

Just unlocked the life-capsule with plus 67 hp, more spur ammo and a machine gun, cool.

Nice.
I see the biggest concern, this just dumps the player in and expects only the best to survive, I can play that game too.

I cannot!
-Death 1-
But I must persevere, for knowledge!

-Death 34- I feel so accomplished, too bad it's only started.......

Luck......Luck?.....Luck.

-Death 42-
Or die on the next one, nice.....I'm in great hands.

I can feel it tempting me....
Only got 20 hp, I lost 40 of that so I technically ended up losing Hp.......
Died 21 times getting the life capsule and beating the rest of the room.
-Death 63-

Thank you easy mode. It took me an hour to successfully get through this room. Next one!

I no longer feel safe. I don't even know how to approach this.

-Death 67-
After getting hit by an enemy I just accepted it as the goddess of luck and moved on.

Sadly I am not god-tier player and I feel testing it out is impossible without getting hit.

-Death 68-
I'll spare you the details.

-Death 89-
The best way through here is get hit by an enemy/red-spike, spam the deleet, and run.

Well this is fun.....The statues are a nice touch at least.

Or you can just die.
-Death 109-
The counter gets higher with every step deeper into this hell!

I WAS SO CLOSE! I almost beat that corridor in one go BUT NOPE!
-Death 110-

After another 40 minutes of rage I made it!
-Death 145-

Oh hey a terminal!

Awe dang I thought it was going to open a secret door, but hey we can all dream.

Was able to level up the blade and save, hooray!
-Death 152-

Just another day in hell
-Deaths 153-284-

This was the only real highlight of this room minus the boss

This part is basically just a spike filled version of Hell B3 so I'm going to skip to the boss with the power of picture magic!
Last picture of B3 minus the boss;
This room like in the original game drives me insane, this is where a majority of my deaths were.....

The Avgn says get the Knife, I say; get the blade.
The original game's music a little quiet, make sure to either lower the new music or raise the original tracks' volumes.

(Did not die here)
Nailed it


I expected the save and heal to be on the other side but I ain't complaining.


Very.

Worth it! Didn't lose a life here because it was an easy boss battle.

Small arena but that's fine.

Oh shit.:greydroll:

Oh cool hi Allos I'm Quote can we not fight?
..............

Yeah I expected that.....Well if it's a fight you want it's a fight you'll get!

-Death 285-
I'm in for a ride.
I'll just display every form and how many deaths it took.

-Deaths 285-305-
(Rekt)

2nd phase done!

-Deaths 305-354-

ARGH!!!!
-Death 354, did not die-

-Deaths 354-376- (Redoing this boss and the red demon again and again!)

(Replace knife and blade and it's basically the same principle here)

I died almost 400 times how else did I even....
Also what's that blue bottle on top?
"We're gonna give you this trophy!" I guess the bottle is the trophy?
Ok so normal mode is just the same thing.
As for Hell challenge normal mode I just used invincibility hacks just to see what the rest looked like.

Not much changed minus me not picking up the capsule for the machine gun, spur ammo and 67 hp.
Only got 27 and the extra 20 from the life capsule in B1.

Got another capsule for an additional 30 hp.

Not much changes.
If you can, make sure to turn the spikes into air blocks because I realized that they still do damage and this can kill a player if they had low enough hp at the time.


No trophy this time.
-TOTAL DEATH COUNT - 376-
+ The programming for a hell-challenge isn't too bad, I love the idea of having controller support and while I don't use one myself the variety is nice to have.
+ I don't mind the music, since I'm focusing on the gameplay which is tough as nails so I'm not too distracted.
+ I'm glad you added an easier mode, this allows players who suck at hell-challenges like myself a little leeway, even if it's too a small extent.
- Due to the insane difficulty this can obviously turn off some players and thus this mod can be easily labeled at "too hard" or "all bad no good"
Overall for Kaizo players I give it a solid 7/10; fun for hardcore players or those looking for a challenge, has too many spikes but if it suits your fancy go for it!
And in general score I give it a 3/10; it has some concepts there but the general player won't be getting to Ballos' fight any time soon.....
Overall as somebody who plays lots of hair-pulling hard games:
I enjoyed it. I hope you continue well on your way to make better quality projects in the future! And for those who can't do it, I understand difficulty is the major turn-off issue, but if you have just turn on a hack or something and zoom around. I used Doukutsu trainer for training and doing the normal run.
 
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Aug 12, 2017 at 10:29 AM
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Have you finished this?

I'm gonna skip all the foreplay bullshit I usually do. Let's just play the mod. Fuck my usual format.

DEATH 1


I like the music in this mod. Sorry.

Hey, could you put that life capsule in the intro room and get rid of the room that it's in? It just makes the start of every run take longer, which is less fun. Actually, if you could, maybe make the game load from the very start of the challenge just to decrease wait times?
Waiting isn't fun.

The computer in the waiting room isn't on??

Aww man now I gotta turn the 3DS HUD mod off, 'cause I can't sight read it for shit.

You should put the diagonal booster hack in this and add some crazy diagonal shit. ;)

Actually, what about 3 different health modes (or Life Capsules you can take in the waiting room)? One where you have 3, one where you have 30 and one with 70. And again, skipping the waiting and stuff.

The death spikes are a bit hard to see 'cause they're blue. Make them green?

Hey, I think you forgot to remove an H/V trigger somewhere. It's removing my invincibility frames. > .>

20 minutes after starting and about 19 deaths later:

DON'T FUCK THIS UP


Phew! Killed the deleet, but couldn't make it trough.

Couple deaths later:

My heart-rate's gonna be the death of me!


An hour later:

1. I love this mod.
2. Fuck this mod.
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 10:50 AM
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As somebody who has made a similar mod in the past (while terrible), this one has some things going for it;
Let us begin:
-I will keep a death counter-

Cool start, it doesn't serve too much a purpose but I don't mind, it's original to say the least!

So below is the "load" button which visually doesn't exist but I can look past that as long as you get rid of the Profile.dat given with the mod files.
I will be starting out on easy mode for fun just to get my toes wet.
I like the waiting room, the computer even mentions it, which is cute.

I guess this Quote hasn't learned to read....shame.

Ok let's get our bearings down for a second:
We have the snake, 65 ammo spur, and a blade.....seems fair enough.

Just unlocked the life-capsule with plus 67 hp, more spur ammo and a machine gun, cool.

Nice.
I see the biggest concern, this just dumps the player in and expects only the best to survive, I can play that game too.

I cannot!
-Death 1-
But I must persevere, for knowledge!

-Death 34- I feel so accomplished, too bad it's only started.......

Luck......Luck?.....Luck.

-Death 42-
Or die on the next one, nice.....I'm in great hands.

I can feel it tempting me....
Only got 20 hp, I lost 40 of that so I technically ended up losing Hp.......
Died 21 times getting the life capsule and beating the rest of the room.
-Death 63-

Thank you easy mode. It took me an hour to successfully get through this room. Next one!

I no longer feel safe. I don't even know how to approach this.

-Death 67-
After getting hit by an enemy I just accepted it as the goddess of luck and moved on.

Sadly I am not god-tier player and I feel testing it out is impossible without getting hit.

-Death 68-
I'll spare you the details.

-Death 89-
The best way through here is get hit by an enemy/red-spike, spam the deleet, and run.

Well this is fun.....The statues are a nice touch at least.

Or you can just die.
-Death 109-
The counter gets higher with every step deeper into this hell!

I WAS SO CLOSE! I almost beat that corridor in one go BUT NOPE!
-Death 110-

After another 40 minutes of rage I made it!
-Death 145-

Oh hey a terminal!

Awe dang I thought it was going to open a secret door, but hey we can all dream.

Was able to level up the blade and save, hooray!
-Death 152-

Just another day in hell
-Deaths 153-284-

This was the only real highlight of this room minus the boss

This part is basically just a spike filled version of Hell B3 so I'm going to skip to the boss with the power of picture magic!
Last picture of B3 minus the boss;
This room like in the original game drives me insane, this is where a majority of my deaths were.....

The Avgn says get the Knife, I say; get the blade.
The original game's music a little quiet, make sure to either lower the new music or raise the original tracks' volumes.

(Did not die here)
Nailed it


I expected the save and heal to be on the other side but I ain't complaining.


Very.

Worth it! Didn't lose a life here because it was an easy boss battle.

Small arena but that's fine.

Oh shit.:greydroll:

Oh cool hi Allos I'm Quote can we not fight?
..............

Yeah I expected that.....Well if it's a fight you want it's a fight you'll get!

-Death 285-
I'm in for a ride.
I'll just display every form and how many deaths it took.

-Deaths 285-305-
(Rekt)

2nd phase done!

-Deaths 305-354-

ARGH!!!!
-Death 354, did not die-

-Deaths 354-376- (Redoing this boss and the red demon again and again!)

(Replace knife and blade and it's basically the same principle here)

I died almost 400 times how else did I even....
Also what's that blue bottle on top?
"We're gonna give you this trophy!" I guess the bottle is the trophy?
Ok so normal mode is just the same thing.
As for Hell challenge normal mode I just used invincibility hacks just to see what the rest looked like.

Not much changed minus me not picking up the capsule for the machine gun, spur ammo and 67 hp.
Only got 27 and the extra 20 from the life capsule in B1.

Got another capsule for an additional 30 hp.

Not much changes.
If you can, make sure to turn the spikes into air blocks because I realized that they still do damage and this can kill a player if they had low enough hp at the time.


No trophy this time.
-TOTAL DEATH COUNT - 376-
+ The programming for a hell-challenge isn't too bad, I love the idea of having controller support and while I don't use one myself the variety is nice to have.
+ I don't mind the music, since I'm focusing on the gameplay which is tough as nails so I'm not too distracted.
+ I'm glad you added an easier mode, this allows players who suck at hell-challenges like myself a little leeway, even if it's too a small extent.
- Due to the insane difficulty this can obviously turn off some players and thus this mod can be easily labeled at "too hard" or "all bad no good"
Overall for Kaizo players I give it a solid 7/10; fun for hardcore players or those looking for a challenge, has too many spikes but if it suits your fancy go for it!
And in general score I give it a 3/10; it has some concepts there but the general player won't be getting to Ballos' fight any time soon.....
Overall as somebody who plays lots of hair-pulling hard games I enjoyed it. I hope you continue well on your way to make better quality projects in the future! And for those who can't do it, I understand difficulty is the major turn-off issue, but if you have just turn on a hack or something and zoom around. I used Doukutsu trainer for training and doing the normal run.
That takes guts. Since you beat it, I'll put your name as the first one of:
The Determination List.
This will show who has beaten the mod before. So congrats on being first!
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM
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That takes guts. Since you beat it, I'll put your name as the first one of:
The Determination List.
This will show who has beaten the mod before. So congrats on being first!
Aww but they only beat EASY mode!
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 12:03 PM
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I think we'll have at least four lists:

Easy mode: Determination List
Normal mode: Wall of Fame
Normal mode, but fast: Wall of Credit
Normal mode, 3hp: God Mode Tier

Not expecting anyone to do that last one...
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 2:32 PM
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I think we'll have at least four lists:

Easy mode: Determination List
Normal mode: Wall of Fame
Normal mode, but fast: Wall of Credit
Normal mode, 3hp: God Mode Tier

Not expecting anyone to do that last one...
God Mode will be insane for players
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 3:23 PM
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You are slowly making more and more design decisions that even I think are too scummy for this mod... But the version this comment targets isn't out yet. I'm hoping that this comment will keep the overtly and overly asshole-y bullshit to a minimum. It's only supposed to be kaizo, not "Play it again on a harder difficulty." Please remove that option from the next version before you upload it.

If you are intent on keeping the harder difficulty, just make that the default instead of requiring a completion. Thanks.
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 3:26 PM
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You are slowly making more and more design decisions that even I think are too scummy for this mod... But the version this comment targets isn't out yet. I'm hoping that this comment will keep the overtly and overly asshole-y bullshit to a minimum. It's only supposed to be kaizo, not "Play it again on a harder difficulty." Please remove that option from the next version before you upload it.

If you are intent on keeping the harder difficulty, just make that the default instead of requiring a completion. Thanks.
No, maybe i dont know yet.
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 3:27 PM
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This is becoming less like true hell and more of an asshell. Please calm down on the unfair shit and keep it fair but difficult. For the sake of the playtesters, which includes myself.

Nobody likes forced second playthroughs, not even me.
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 3:29 PM
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This ISNT true hell. It's just kaizo hell.
 
Aug 12, 2017 at 3:30 PM
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Kaizo isn't an excuse for being a dick. It's an outlet for pushing the mechanics of the game to their limits.

For the record, I don't consider unexpected things to be extreme douchebaggery. You learn to expect each one after only a few deaths to them, which is very quick if you practice on easy mode first.
 
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Aug 12, 2017 at 7:44 PM
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Holy shit, this version isn't even out, is it?! Fight in private messages or something. Nobody has/'ll have any idea what you're talking about.
Also, I think the difficulty for the first two maps of normal mode @ 30HP is fine.
 
Aug 13, 2017 at 6:29 PM
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Alrighty here's my analysis on Version 1.3!

Fancy! I'm gonna try normal mode for real now so we'll see how it goes.

Was it always wider? If it wasn't, this is cool.

Oh, kinda normal title screen? Minus the title.

I'll be doing Normal - Kaizo mode.

I'm not gonna bother too much with the timer, but 30 hp is always better than nothing.

OK! Welcome back hell.
-Death 1-
I spent all of yesterday playing Jenka's nightmare, my skills for this may be a little rusty.

What is this side area???

Trying to take my time.....Got the blade to lvl 2 almost 3, not sure how long until I lose it......
-Deaths 2 through 17-

Success! Got 50 hp and maxed the blade this is awesome!

Or......that....
-Death 18-

So......no enemies to abuse invincibility frames....
-Deaths 19 through 34-

Hooray death!
-Death 35-

Snakes save lives
-Deaths 36 through 59-

A: Brutes are great for hp
B: EXPERIENCE POINTS HOORAY!
C: This section is just as hellish as before.....
-Deaths 60 through 98-

Yay decked out and ready to kill!

Or lose it immediately......

GOT TO THE PRESS IN ONE GO phew....
Now to grind for hp and survive.....

Thank god it's over, I can't thank pixel enough for enemy health pick ups in this battle and Ballos'.

Oh great it's you. Ok bud let's make this quick.

Ok Ballos time.

Ohhhh wait, his name is Allos because Ballos gave half his energy to Callas which, if we're going off trig rules; A + C = B and since Ballos gave half his power away that means it turns into A and C for Allos and Callas!

Or maybe I'm thinking too hard into it.

Really got to manage your spacing here in these 2 panels. For the lighting attack make a square where you start from the 2 blocks and back in the 2 blocks. For his regular attack just be careful.
-Deaths 99 through 284-
I WILL BEAT THIS BASTARD!

Dead.

I'M SORRY WHAT! I found this by accident! WELP FREE HP? I lost 10 to gain 10, nice.

Ok third form....I need blade version 3 for the last form! IT'S NOW OR NEVER!
Also sped up version of "Last battle" this is jam worthy.

TAKE THIS!

So I beat Ballos and the game I thought crashed at first and then this???

Oh cool.

Oh hey it's me!

So yeah I beat normal Kaizo with 9 mintues and 284 deaths.

Good question.

No it's not.
Waiting room music plays, I'LL WAIT!
Juts me back to the title screen, 'k cool.

Here's my final time.
-TOTAL DEATHS = 284-
I still enjoyed the mod, I had no issue doing it with the kaizo normal mode, but still it's extremely grueling and frustrating, I almost raged quit so many times but I had to keep going.
I hope your modding improves and you create better mods!
 
Aug 17, 2017 at 3:42 AM
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Haven't played the mod yet, but bAllos's sprites not matching his facepic's grayscale is a little bothersome.
 
Aug 24, 2017 at 3:00 AM
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Alrighty here's my analysis on Version 1.3!

Fancy! I'm gonna try normal mode for real now so we'll see how it goes.

Was it always wider? If it wasn't, this is cool.

Oh, kinda normal title screen? Minus the title.

I'll be doing Normal - Kaizo mode.

I'm not gonna bother too much with the timer, but 30 hp is always better than nothing.

OK! Welcome back hell.
-Death 1-
I spent all of yesterday playing Jenka's nightmare, my skills for this may be a little rusty.

What is this side area???

Trying to take my time.....Got the blade to lvl 2 almost 3, not sure how long until I lose it......
-Deaths 2 through 17-

Success! Got 50 hp and maxed the blade this is awesome!

Or......that....
-Death 18-

So......no enemies to abuse invincibility frames....
-Deaths 19 through 34-

Hooray death!
-Death 35-

Snakes save lives
-Deaths 36 through 59-

A: Brutes are great for hp
B: EXPERIENCE POINTS HOORAY!
C: This section is just as hellish as before.....
-Deaths 60 through 98-

Yay decked out and ready to kill!

Or lose it immediately......

GOT TO THE PRESS IN ONE GO phew....
Now to grind for hp and survive.....

Thank god it's over, I can't thank pixel enough for enemy health pick ups in this battle and Ballos'.

Oh great it's you. Ok bud let's make this quick.

Ok Ballos time.

Ohhhh wait, his name is Allos because Ballos gave half his energy to Callas which, if we're going off trig rules; A + C = B and since Ballos gave half his power away that means it turns into A and C for Allos and Callas!

Or maybe I'm thinking too hard into it.

Really got to manage your spacing here in these 2 panels. For the lighting attack make a square where you start from the 2 blocks and back in the 2 blocks. For his regular attack just be careful.
-Deaths 99 through 284-
I WILL BEAT THIS BASTARD!

Dead.

I'M SORRY WHAT! I found this by accident! WELP FREE HP? I lost 10 to gain 10, nice.

Ok third form....I need blade version 3 for the last form! IT'S NOW OR NEVER!
Also sped up version of "Last battle" this is jam worthy.

TAKE THIS!

So I beat Ballos and the game I thought crashed at first and then this???

Oh cool.

Oh hey it's me!

So yeah I beat normal Kaizo with 9 mintues and 284 deaths.

Good question.

No it's not.
Waiting room music plays, I'LL WAIT!
Juts me back to the title screen, 'k cool.

Here's my final time.
-TOTAL DEATHS = 284-
I still enjoyed the mod, I had no issue doing it with the kaizo normal mode, but still it's extremely grueling and frustrating, I almost raged quit so many times but I had to keep going.
I hope your modding improves and you create better mods!
Congrats. World Record is now on the main post!
 
Aug 26, 2017 at 12:03 AM
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Fun mod. I didn't beat it. I was too busy trying to speedrun it I didn't get past the 3rd room (I tried for an hour)... I'll try again later and be a bit more careful. I do love (and hate) the near perfect boosts you have to make in order to not die. Those are fun (unless you don't make it and take 127 damage).
 
Aug 26, 2017 at 4:21 AM
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Fun mod. I didn't beat it. I was too busy trying to speedrun it I didn't get past the 3rd room (I tried for an hour)... I'll try again later and be a bit more careful. I do love (and hate) the near perfect boosts you have to make in order to not die. Those are fun (unless you don't make it and take 127 damage).
Yeah I can agree, there are sections where perfect boosts are required to live, but overall the biggest pain would be those first 2 rooms, and parts of the 3rd one, everything else is fine.
 
Aug 26, 2017 at 6:31 PM
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Tried again. Got to the third room (with about 25 HP)... Is this mod even possible??? I'll try again later.
 
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