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Jul 8, 2018 at 11:53 PM
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#1
You might be thinking about how I recently posted a new PB speed run on my youtube channel, and are thinking, "Wow, Yoshi, you beat the world record!"

But I haven't.

I posted the speedrun and was thinking, "Huh maybe I could beat the WR?" so I looked up the speed run to see if I could pick up any new strategies, and I saw how the title of the video now had a big fat [OBSOLETED] on it. I needed to know who the new record holder was, so I checked the High Scores page, and I found the old record. So I looked in the comment section of MasterLuigi's video, and found the lucky winner.

the new WR for Hell (60fps) is 이매실, and their time is 1'59"9. Here's the video below. It's really impressive.


Rest In Peace any chances of me obtaining a WR, 2016-2018
 
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Jul 9, 2018 at 12:40 AM
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#2
Whoah. I never even thought about deeqquipping the booster during b2.
There are so many awesome moments in this run like when they explodes those two deleets at once and just how quickly they destroy the bosses. Are you sure this isn't TAS?
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 1:06 AM
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Whoah. I never even thought about deeqquipping the booster during b2.
There are so many awesome moments in this run like when they explodes those two deleets at once and just how quickly they destroy the bosses. Are you sure this isn't TAS?
Well everything’s in Korean so it’s hard to tell. MasterLuigi asked, so I’ll be waiting for an answer. As far as I can tell there isn’t a way to TAS CS+ in the traditional sense, so in pretty sure it’s legit
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 1:57 AM
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#4
I find this intriguing with the whole damage-boost-de-equip-booster thing, that's creative. And the fact the snake strat came back, after MasterLuigi got that 2"02'8 with the spur, I thought the snake strat was dead; but not by a long shot apparently. What confuses me though is why Heavy Press didn't fire his laser when the battle started? It always does, but didn't for the newest WR?
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 2:00 AM
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why Heavy Press didn't fire his laser when the battle started? It always does, but didn't for the newest WR?
That isn’t an anomaly. It will do that occasionally, I don’t know what determines it, could be something manually triggered, or it could be RNG. I find that it fires less when I’m charging the spur, but he didn’t have the spur so it must’ve been luck.
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 2:05 AM
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That isn’t an anomaly. It will do that occasionally, I don’t know what determines it, could be something manually triggered, or it could be RNG. I find that it fires less when I’m charging the spur, but he didn’t have the spur so it must’ve been luck.
I just find that weird, because I was re-watching the TAS run of the whole game (the one by Nisuja), and with the machine, the laser goes off. I'm wondering if it's something that triggered in the new WR or maybe it is rng?
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 2:11 AM
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I just find that weird, because I was re-watching the TAS run of the whole game (the one by Nisuja), and with the machine, the laser goes off. I'm wondering if it's something that triggered in the new WR or maybe it is rng?
I think it’s RNG in terms of the new WR’s case, As he walks in to heavy press just holding the missles, and the only instance of luck manipulation I could find in my experience is charging the spur, and he has no spur. I feel it’s possible that Nisuja just didn’t know about this, or maybe it’s not possible in the freeware version.
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 2:14 AM
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I think it’s RNG in terms of the new WR’s case, As he walks in to heavy press just holding the missles, and the only instance of luck manipulation I could find in my experience is charging the spur, and he has no spur. I feel it’s possible that Nisuja just didn’t know about this, or maybe it’s not possible in the freeware version.
I was actually shifting through some videos and found this:

This obviously has hevay press charging the laser as this player has the snake and sml. I would believe more if it was luck rather than some manipulation.
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 2:19 AM
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I was actually shifting through some videos and found this:

This obviously has hevay press charging the laser as this player has the snake and sml. I would believe more if it was luck rather than some manipulation.
Yeah, it most probably is luck. 이매실 just got lucky I guess
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 2:28 AM
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Yeah, it most probably is luck. 이매실 just got lucky I guess
Yeah I guess so, but that's super weird and I would love to know how exactly that occurrence happened? I wonder now if it really is luck or some sort of manipulation because it's unclear.
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 2:29 AM
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Yeah I guess so, but that's super weird and I would love to know how exactly that occurrence happened? I wonder now if it really is luck or some sort of manipulation because it's unclear.
If it could be manipulated then why wouldn’t the TAS do it?
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 3:09 AM
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If it could be manipulated then why wouldn’t the TAS do it?
I guess so? I never thought of it like that, but I guess it's because the TAS doesn't necessarily need to since it has it's weird work-arounds only TAS's can do with their frame perfect stuff.
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM
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#13
There's no RNG regarding laser.
Heavy Press always fires it on start (well, it should), then after 400 frames, then each 300 frames (there are always 4 butes spawned between shots).
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 1:24 PM
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There's no RNG regarding laser.
Heavy Press always fires it on start
Occasionally it won't, and that can be seen in the new WR. It's possible that it could be manipulated, or it's just RNG.
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 2:52 PM
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Ugh. There's no RNG there. Here's excerpt from Heavy Press AI. v9 is the current AI state. It is set by Hell3.tsc (<BOA0100)
sub_46EFD0 spawns NPCs. 325 is NPC number for laser (it's a separate entity)
Code:
if ( v9 == 100 )
  {
    *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[116] = 101;
    *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[112] = 9;
    *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[120] = -100;
    byte_4BBB04 = -128;
    dword_4BBB80 = 7168;
    dword_4BBB88 = 7168;
    dword_4BBB84 = 4096;
    dword_4BBB8C = 4096;
    word_4BBB54 = 12;
    qmemcpy(&byte_4BBBB0, &byte_4BBB04, 0xACu);
    byte_4BBC5C = -112;
    word_4BBCAC |= 0x20u;
    dword_4BBCD8 = 3072;
    dword_4BBCE0 = 3072;
    dword_4BBCDC = 4096;
    dword_4BBCE4 = 4096;
    sub_46EFD0(325, *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[8], *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[12] + 30720, 0, 0, 0, 0, 256);
  }
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 2:58 PM
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Ugh. There's no RNG there. Here's excerpt from Heavy Press AI. v9 is the current AI state. It is set by Hell3.tsc (<BOA0100)
sub_46EFD0 spawns NPCs. 325 is NPC number for laser (it's a separate entity)
Code:
if ( v9 == 100 )
  {
    *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[116] = 101;
    *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[112] = 9;
    *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[120] = -100;
    byte_4BBB04 = -128;
    dword_4BBB80 = 7168;
    dword_4BBB88 = 7168;
    dword_4BBB84 = 4096;
    dword_4BBB8C = 4096;
    word_4BBB54 = 12;
    qmemcpy(&byte_4BBBB0, &byte_4BBB04, 0xACu);
    byte_4BBC5C = -112;
    word_4BBCAC |= 0x20u;
    dword_4BBCD8 = 3072;
    dword_4BBCE0 = 3072;
    dword_4BBCDC = 4096;
    dword_4BBCE4 = 4096;
    sub_46EFD0(325, *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[8], *(_DWORD *)&byte_4BBA58[12] + 30720, 0, 0, 0, 0, 256);
  }
Ok now we know why the laser didn’t fire. Thank you isage
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 3:52 PM
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#17
Does anyone know who is in the New/Load screen for under two minutes? That's something I've wondered about for a long time.
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 3:56 PM
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Does anyone know who is in the New/Load screen for under two minutes? That's something I've wondered about for a long time.
Pixel didn’t see sub 2 minutes possible (which it probably is impossible on the freeware version), so sue is as far as it goes.
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 8:05 PM
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Pixel didn’t see sub 2 minutes possible (which it probably is impossible on the freeware version), so sue is as far as it goes.
Well does it make a difference since freeware is 50 fps and the + ports are 60 fps?
 
Jul 9, 2018 at 10:27 PM
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#20
Freeware 60fps runs are valid too, iirc, even if it's through editing two bytes
 
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