Reproramming Cave Story

Carrotlord actually gave the impression of going off the deep end. Read the thread "Mint-y freshness" in its entirety and you will understand.

 

I'm sorry, but I don't see how doing our job (banning people for being dicks/trolling/incoherent posting) is being disrespectful at all.

That is not what I'm talking about, you've seen all the insults, right? I even highlighted them.

I don't think they were undeserved.

That was a personal attack, are personal attacks now allowed by the rules? Even if CarrotLord broke the rules in the past that wouldn't justify a personal attack, especially not by a moderator. Moderators should work de-escalating not escalating. Not to mention what happened in the IRC several months ago. Also please explain to me how my post was more disrespectful than Noxid post was.

I just told him that if he trolled here he'd be banned. What is wrong with that??

Do you tell that everyone who mentions the word "trolling" or for the same reason Andwhy gave?

Anyways if you never come back uh I'll really miss you, I'll miss you so much.

Please keep your sarcasm, I wasn't even here for months.

Carrotlord actually gave the impression of going off the deep end. Read the thread "Mint-y freshness" in its entirety and you will understand.

Can you link me to it? Even if that is correct, it doesn't justify Noxids comment. In my opinion even GIRs post was exaggerated, how do you justify that, also why was that posted in the public and not handled in private? Just because he mentioned "trolling" and was making the impression to get angry?

And anyway even if he did, I wouldn't wonder, really, with all that flaming that was done before.

 

Understanding that would require it to be self-aware, GIR

http://www.cavestory.org/forums/posts/161707

Yeah I've got nothing for this.

The council could not reach a decision as to whether it is a result of direct trolling or simply a broken fractured mind, as the vote was annulled when it pointed out that it didn't matter anyway since they were both bannable.

http://www.cavestory.org/forums/posts/47685

Seriously, read the Mint-y freshness thread. Carrotlord's behaviour was not that of a man of a sane mind. This comment is just reflecting the truth.

TheCore has been banned for either having an asshole friend or being an asshole

http://www.cavestory.org/forums/posts/47685

The core was making lots of spam threads about bunny porn and just flaming in general. If that's not an asshole I don't know what is.

Jesvice has been banned for being a dick in the "Who killed the colons" thread

http://www.cavestory.org/forums/posts/47675

Look at the post linked in that banning, and how he refers to dunc and his "butt buddies". That's being a dick, and he was doing it before that post too and was warned about it beforehand.

You know that if you "troll" here, you're just going to get banned, right?

http://www.cavestory.org/forums/posts/161706

Carrotlord HAD been trolling before he made this post, which is why I said this. This included giving new members in the modding forums misinformation on purpose just for the "lulz".

So yeah this isn't disrespectful. We may be the moderators but we aren't going to sugarcoat the truth. And I'm really tired of hearing about this from the former admin who deleted threads just to cover Kage's tracks.

[EDIT]: SP I accidentally overwrote your post a page back since I went to "edit" it to grab the BBCode for the post (since quoting posts doesn't preserve the inner quote tags), and then I accidentally overwrote it. I'm working on fixing/restoring it if it is possible.

[EDITEDIT]: Ok I returned it back to normal I think.

 

Even if he had trolled before, did you really go into every thread and search for every post by him mentioning "trolling" and posted an answer as that? It doesn't even make sense, if you had talked to him in private, it would have been much more discreet and much more de-escalating.

So yeah this isn't disrespectful. We may be the moderators but we aren't going to sugarcoat the truth. And I'm really tired of hearing about this from the former admin who deleted threads just to cover Kage's tracks.

Truth and insults are a different thing, what does "beeing an asshole" mean? Does that mean that the guy is indeed a giant anus or what? If you said that he was behaving inappropiate okay but all the other stuff is just swearing, it is in fact not even legal (not that anyone is going to sue you on the internet).

Also mentioning mistakes that I made years ago when I was 16, what does that have to do with this situation?

 

Truth and insults are a different thing, what does "beeing an asshole" mean? Does that mean that the guy is indeed a giant anus or what? If you said that he was behaving inappropiate okay but all the other stuff is just swearing, it is in fact not even legal (not that anyone is going to sue you on the internet).

Also mentioning mistakes that I made years ago when I was 16, what does that have to do with this situation?

Being an asshole means acting inappropriately, that much should be obvious. And what do you mean it's not "legal"?

Also just wanted to remind you that you weren't a shining example of administration in regards to your comment of "I should have never left".

Even if he had trolled before, did you really go into every thread and search for every post by him mentioning "trolling" and posted an answer as that? It doesn't even make sense, if you had talked to him in private, it would have been much more discreet and much more de-escalating.

No, I just replied to it after reading it. As a moderator/active member I read pretty much all the new posts. And he HAD been warned before in private, so clearly that wasn't working.

 

Can you link me to it? Even if that is correct, it doesn't justify Noxids comment. In my opinion even GIRs post was exaggerated, how do you justify that, also why was that posted in the public and not handled in private? Just because he mentioned "trolling" and was making the impression to get angry?

http://www.cavestory.org/forums/threads/4632/

Read up until post #33 (page 4) to get an idea of the situation. It's a sizable read though, as there are a number of long posts.

 

I didn't really want to make a post because I know this is exactly how pretty much every 'discussion' ever with SP ends up but GIR said I should so I will.

1) Jeservice was kind of being a dick and that is the reason he got banned so that is what I put in the post.
2) At that point I was pretty sure Carrotlord was out of his gourd. That is why he got banned. That is also why I put it in the post.
3) I find it ironic that you are white-knighting so hard over this stuff when you can't be bothered to figure out any of the context, have made it clear multiple times that you "are fed up with this place and its awful terrible community and never want to see us again", and in your own time were considered to be a corrupt and inefficient moderator. Do you just drift around looking for things to be offended by these days?

I'm kind of a dick sometimes and I acknowledge this but at the same time I don't really want to overly sugar-coat and censor myself because that would be fake (and boring). I'm not running a PR campaign here. The people who get banned also for some reason don't tend to be in the top ten percent of swell guys so I don't always have the kindest of words for them.

These bans don't just happen for no reason or out of thin air.

 

Being an asshole means acting inappropriately, that much should be obvious. And what do you mean it's not "legal"?

Okay, stop it, this not even a single bit funny anymore.
You know what an insult is, right? You know that it may hurt people and that a lot people refrain from using such words? And that insults are considered illegal in many countries? Yes, you've heared right, you can sue someone who called you an "asshole" in germany and I'm pretty sure you can do that in other european countries too.

Why are you forbidding people to insult someone, when you are doing it yourself? Or is it okay to insult anyone who broke the rules, like in middle ages when such people were pilloried? Do you even consider "asshole" an insult or don't you know about it's vulgar nature?

Also just wanted to remind you that you weren't a shining example of administration in regards to your comment of "I should have never left".

Perhaps not always but I don't remember insulting the people I banned before. Aside from that, most of the time there was nothing to moderate at all because the forums were pretty peaceful, atleast in the first years. That was years ago, when I was pretty much a teenager, how do you even draw a connection to this situation now? Should I phone your parents, or whoever was responsible for you when you were young now, ask them what you did wrong when you were young and post it here? I'm pretty sure I didn't broke any rule myself, the last year I was here.

No, I just replied to it after reading it. As a moderator/active member I read pretty much all the new posts. And he HAD been warned before in private, so clearly that wasn't working.

Okay, while this could be true, it still doesn't make any sense to me, where you got the impression that he is going to explode in this thread any secound.

http://www.cavestory.org/forums/threads/4632/
Read up until post #33 (page 4) to get an idea of the situation. It's a sizable read though, as there are a number of long posts.

I'm reading this thread and I already saw an offending post by Noxid on the first page, the next post followed by CarrotLord kind of braggadocio but he is trying to defend himself. Why do you guys even wonder that someone is going to be angry when he has to read stuff like that about himself by a moderator every time? I mean I've saw enough examples of the "super arrogant harsh nerd" attitude before and heared about that by some former members too, do you really think this critic comes out of the blue? Do you know what happened before that thread Anwhy? Because that wasn't the start of this conflict.

1) Jeservice was kind of being a dick and that is the reason he got banned so that is what I put in the post.

And if you are "being an dick" in my opinion, do I have the right to call you dick too?

2) At that point I was pretty sure Carrotlord was out of his gourd. That is why he got banned. That is also why I put it in the post.

CarrotLord was banned by you in the IRC before because you didn't care about the stuff he was talking about and considered it "annoying", even though there was nothing wrong with the stuff he talked about. How do you expect me to trust you on this matter, when things like that happened?
Also, please feel free to tell me how my post was more disrespectful than yours.

3) I find it ironic that you are white-knighting so hard over this stuff when you can't be bothered to figure out any of the context, have made it clear multiple times that you "are fed up with this place and its awful terrible community and never want to see us again"

I know what I saw in the IRC, parts of the forum before and what I've heared from persons leaving these forums and that certainly didn't made the best impression, so don't tell me anything about any context.
Of course I was pretty much fed up with this place, hell, all the arguing with SkyeWelse and Andwhyisit about the future of the site was pretty demotivating, as well as random bad stuff that occurred that I wasn't able to fix because I didn't have any permissions and that was obviously done by someone with an super administrator account. So instead of helping me, my fellow admins just torpedoed my work. Plus all the other, social stuff that happened.

and in your own time were considered to be a corrupt and inefficient moderator.

Man, give it a rest, that was atleast 5 years ago. Also I want to see you when there is little to no backup from your fellow moderators when people are giving you shit because you banned someone who was flaming every new member that registered here out of the forums. And that was only one of many issues.

Do you just drift around looking for things to be offended by these days?

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These bans don't just happen for no reason or out of thin air.

No but what I've saw in the IRC and what I've heared from other people about you and GIR kinda shocked me and kind of sounded like "out of thin air".

 

Okay, stop it, this not even a single bit funny anymore.
You know what an insult is, right? You know that it may hurt people and that a lot people refrain from using such words? And that insults are considered illegal in many countries? Yes, you've heared right, you can sue someone who called you an "asshole" in germany and I'm pretty sure you can do that in other european countries too.

Why are you forbidding people to insult someone, when you are doing it yourself? Or is it okay to insult anyone who broke the rules, like in middle ages when such people were pilloried? Do you even consider "asshole" an insult or don't you know about it's vulgar nature?

Honestly I think it's pretty retarded that anyone would sue anyone else over calling someone an asshole, so maybe that carries more weight in germany that it does elsewhere. And the point is that you were being disrespectful to the moderation team not just in your comment itself but in that your claim was unjustified.

Also to join the forums you have to be 13+ so I don't think anyone's really going to be hurt by some foul language.

Perhaps not always but I don't remember insulting the people I banned before. Aside from that, most of the time there was nothing to moderate at all because the forums were pretty peaceful, atleast in the first years. That was years ago, when I was pretty much a teenager, how do you even draw a connection to this situation now? Should I phone your parents, or whoever was responsible for you when you were young now, ask them what you did wrong when you were young and post it here? I'm pretty sure I didn't broke any rule myself, the last year I was here.

When someone is banned we have to give a reason. If the reason is because "they were acting like an asshole", then we put down that "they were being an asshole". I don't really think it's that big of a deal, since when they come back we just treat them normally as we did before (unless they break the rules again). And I don't think I'm going to be hurting the feelings of people who post spammy threads saying "THESE FORUMS NEED MOAR BUNNY PORN" anyways.

Okay, while this could be true, it still doesn't make any sense to me, where you got the impression that he is going to explode in this thread any secound.

When he makes a post bragging about how he trolls on a whole bunch of other sites, chances are he's implying that he's going to troll on this site too.

I'm reading this thread and I already saw an offending post by Noxid on the first page, the next post followed by CarrotLord kind of braggadocio but he is trying to defend himself. Why do you guys even wonder that someone is going to be angry when he has to read stuff like that about himself by a moderator every time? I mean I've saw enough examples of the "super arrogant harsh nerd" attitude before and heared about that by some former members too, do you really think this critic comes out of the blue? Do you know what happened before that thread Anwhy? Because that wasn't the start of this conflict.

Did you read how delusional his post was though? How he claimed his language was better than all other previously established languages? It's pretty egotistical and delusional. And his posts just get worse from then on. Noxid could have worded it better but he was just trying to warn the new member about Carrotlord.

The start of the conflict was, as I said before, when Carrotlord was intentionally giving misinformation to new modders about basic things for fun. This is why Noxid was so angry at him at the time, and why Noxid needed to warn this new member about Carrotlord's tendencies.

CarrotLord was banned by you in the IRC before because you didn't care about the stuff he was talking about and considered it "annoying", even though there was nothing wrong with the stuff he talked about. How do you expect me to trust you on this matter, when things like that happened?
Also, please feel free to tell me how my post was more disrespectful than yours.

Carrotlord was banned for the IRC because he didn't post things that were relevant to the main line of discussion at the time, and basically was just talking to himself whenever he talked. The moment he got banned was when he was intentionally interrupting a conversation WD was having with someone and then he said he was doing it "because it was fun", at which point Noxid had enough of Carrotlord's disrespect for the flow of conversation in the IRC.

I know what I saw in the IRC, parts of the forum before and what I've heared from persons leaving these forums and that certainly didn't made the best impression, so don't tell me anything about any context.

If you listen only to the people leaving the forums chances are you're going to hear some pretty negatively biased views on the forums. In order to truly understand the context you should talk to the active members as well instead of just talking to the select few who have left.

 

SP do you want a regular member's opinion
Because these guys are just in their moderation
The only time there was an unjust ban (during my time here) was one incident shortly after the initial switch to IPBoard, only because the member in question was unaware of having received any infractions. Even then, the issue was simply brought up in IRC, and soon resolved. The staff never breaks the rules.

 

Seriously I don't know why you are obsessed with middle age methods of dealing with rule breaking persons GIR. Also CarrotLord being banned for not following the flow of the conversation is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heared. Since when does the IRC have that rule, also why was CarrotLord the only one ever punished for breaking that "rule"? You aren't seriously telling me, that he was the only one ever breaking that rule? You're joking, right?

Also, of course germany must be weird and the only country because YOU are thinking it's retarded. See this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
Germany is by FAR not the only country.
Are you just socially inept or why don't you get that it is wrong to forbid insulting other people but doing so yourself? It is called hypocrisy. Why don't you get, that asshole is a vulgar word and hence an insult?

Also how is CarrotLords post egotistical? He is trying to defend himself and do you know why? Because Noxid (and maybe you too) treat him constantly as shit because he doesn't have the same freaking opinion as you have. Do you ever look into the mirror and try to reflect yourself or did you never notice that you two sometimes behave like harsh nerds who think they know everything?

And of course, people that left have biased views, did you know what I've heared? I've heared that you like to flame the shit out of people in Skype because they like furry and such stuff. I'm seriously wondering why you guys are moderators here, when you seem to know nothing about social standards and respect. Also YOU think that people aren't going to be hurt, did you ever ask anybody? Obviously you should try to think less and care more about the facts.

And now I'm fed up with this shit, I feel cheated and like talking with a robot. Consider this a last warning from me before I leave: Don't wonder if anybody gives you shit because of the way you behave. And you Andwhy should seriously reconsider what kind of people you are trusting the moderation with.

Good bye.

 

Also how is CarrotLords post egotistical? He is trying to defend himself and do you know why? Because Noxid (and maybe you too) treat him constantly as shit because he doesn't have the same freaking opinion as you have. Do you ever look into the mirror and try to reflect yourself or did you never notice that you two sometimes behave like harsh nerds who think they know everything?

Claiming that the language that you just made is better than 2 previously well established languages and having nothing to show for it is pretty egotistical. If you can't understand that then I really don't see how I can reason with you at all. You seem to be just as delusional as him.

I'm sorry that you can't see the blindingly obvious here, but you see what you want I guess.

And of course, people that left have biased views, did you know what I've heared? I've heared that you like to flame the shit out of people in Skype because they like furry and such stuff. I'm seriously wondering why you guys are moderators here, when you seem to know nothing about social standards and respect. Also YOU think that people aren't going to be hurt, did you ever ask anybody? Obviously you should try to think less and care more about the facts.

I don't know who you're talking about. I've never really talked to anyone about furry things on Skype. If you're talking about Ralren then you should know that I barely talked to him on Skype at all, and I don't recall ever talking to him about furry/furries.

Honestly if you're basing your opinions on everything Ralren and Carrotlord says, well I really don't know what to say to you.

 

The moment he got banned was when he was intentionally interrupting a conversation WD was having with someone and then he said he was doing it "because it was fun", at which point Noxid had enough of Carrotlord's disrespect for the flow of conversation in the IRC.

I don't see how this isn't a bannable offense from the IRC

Also uhh yeah thanks for totally ignoring the regular user's opinion posted in the thread, that really helped your case

 

FURSECUTION?

NOT ON MY FORUM AND/OR SKYPE.

 

I think Gardebiter has beaten my record for having left the forums forever the most times.

 

Y'all are currently tied at the moment actually.


One of you needs to step it up. Pronto.

 

Is the score 2-2? If not, then apparently I've missed some threads.

 

I thought Ralren was still winning

 

S.P. obviously didn't read the page he linked to either:

Mere vulgar abuse is an insult that is not necessarily defamatory because it is not intended to be taken literally or believed, or likely to cause real damage to a reputation. Vituperative statements made in anger, such as calling someone "an asshole" during a drunken argument, would likely be considered mere vulgar abuse and not defamatory.

 

Can't we all get along?

Dammit, fighting has never solved anything in real life.

I feel the need to state my opinion, or freedom of speech, or whatever it's called. If that's not allowed, so be it then.