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PSA: Don't Use Cave Story+ Graphics In Your 2x Res Mods (etc.)

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Apr 24, 2017 at 1:12 PM
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In light of recent modding developments, and with Switch Story on the horizon, I think it's worth making this clear again, particularly for any newer members popping in. Assets from Cave Story+ (graphics, music etc.), or any other monetised release of Cave Story, will not be accepted on the site as a part of any user-made content. Any mod or whatnot posted on here containing such assets will be taken down, ASAP.

This is turn raises the legitimate question of how different something has to be before it counts as an original creation. I'm not really sure where to draw the line here, because the CS+ sprites are obviously very convenient to take as a base but edits that are only slight (e.g. Curly with different hair) aren't really avoiding the issue. Personally-made upscales of the original freeware sprites invade a similarly grey area (unless you want to go to 3x or more, in which case you can (probably) knock yourself out :awesomeface:). For now I'll just say in general that if you want to make a CS-universe-based mod then you should probably stick to the original sprites and resolution.

If you want to use CS+ sprites as placeholders while you work around them, that's your choice, but any leftovers will need to be removed before you can upload your work here. Screenshots or videos should not realistically be a problem I think, they were not before this point and I don't see how we could feasibly police them regardless.
 
Apr 24, 2017 at 1:51 PM
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You don't know how happy I am to see this.

Anyhow, something kinda popped up in my mind; what about usage of the quote facepics?
We already have quite some mods that use them and I don't remember it existing until CSWii.
 
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You don't know how happy I am to see this.

Anyhow, something kinda popped up in my mind; what about usage of the quote facepics?
We already have quite some mods that use them and I don't remember it existing until CSWii.
NICALiS will never notice, haha.

Well, honestly at this point this whole thing should go without saying.
 
Apr 24, 2017 at 2:09 PM
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A lot of people already know this, but I think this is a fairly appropriate situation for a bit of shameless advertisement.

For those of you making Cave Story+ ports that need to partially utilize NICALiS' 2x resolution graphics, Plus Porter will enable you to share most mods with double resolution graphics without actually posting any copyrighted content on this site.
 
Apr 24, 2017 at 5:02 PM
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We're free now.
 
Apr 25, 2017 at 4:47 AM
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Also, I think you've forgotten to mention that NICALiS' 2x res graphics are pretty fucking rubbish anyways. There are colour palette changes that make no sense, square un-2x-res'd pixels and sprites everywhere, disregard to the framrects, and many inconsistencies (like some of the NPC's sprites look different depending on which direction they face).
If you want to use NICALiS' sprites, you need to stop. Then go have a 2 month reflection period before you come back here.
 
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Thanks I'll add that straight to the OP I won't actually do that
 
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In light of recent modding developments, and with Switch Story on the horizon, I think it's worth making this clear again, particularly for any newer members popping in. Assets from Cave Story+ (graphics, music etc.), or any other monetised release of Cave Story, will not be accepted on the site as a part of any user-made content. Any mod or whatnot posted on here containing such assets will be taken down, ASAP.

This is turn raises the legitimate question of how different something has to be before it counts as an original creation. I'm not really sure where to draw the line here, because the CS+ sprites are obviously very convenient to take as a base but edits that are only slight (e.g. Curly with different hair) aren't really avoiding the issue. Personally-made upscales of the original freeware sprites invade a similarly grey area (unless you want to go to 3x or more, in which case you can (probably) knock yourself out :awesomeface:). For now I'll just say in general that if you want to make a CS-universe-based mod then you should probably stick to the original sprites and resolution.

If you want to use CS+ sprites as placeholders while you work around them, that's your choice, but any leftovers will need to be removed before you can upload your work here. Screenshots or videos should not realistically be a problem I think, they were not before this point and I don't see how we could feasibly police them regardless.
Okay well that's fine it's just that I thought I was being creative when I had the face sprites as cs plus face sprites....
 
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Okay well that's fine it's just that I thought I was being creative when I had the face sprites as cs plus face sprites....
that's actually basically the opposite of creative
 
May 27, 2017 at 4:08 PM
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that's actually basically the opposite of creative
It's not even an original idea. I'm not sure who the first person to do it was, but I did it in N.E.T. Story.
 
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Jenka's Nightmare (ZarroTsu) and the newest version of the Curly mode mod both contain Quote's face picture from CS+ scaled down.
 
Feb 2, 2018 at 11:27 AM
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Jenka's Nightmare (ZarroTsu) and the newest version of the Curly mode mod both contain Quote's face picture from CS+ scaled down.
It was also modified so it can be given a pass. If you can compare the two, ZarroTsu did more than just downscaling it.
 
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I'm not a lawyer, but the way I understand it, that counts as a derivative work, so it's technically still a copyright violation.
 
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Oh yeah, I just thought, where did this idea of not using sprites from a game that is being sold come from. Did Tyrone ask us not to or something? I'm asking because sites like mfgg.net show that the idea "oh, they're from a SOLD GAME, best not use them" is not universal
 
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Oh yeah, I just thought, where did this idea of not using sprites from a game that is being sold come from. Did Tyrone ask us not to or something? I'm asking because sites like mfgg.net show that the idea "oh, they're from a SOLD GAME, best not use them" is not universal
To those that were around when the original 2x res hack was available, you may add on to/correct me on this, but I hope the stuff in the spoiler was the general idea.
Idk how the legalities work for websites like spriters-resource and mfgg work, but long story made short, there was a 2x res hack that was distributed upon request for 2x res mods to be made (alongside some conditions that had to be met, since the hack was made while the Nicalis ports are around). However, some people wanted it so they can slap the Nicalis graphics onto them and redistribute it as the "free" version of CS+, and things had to be done to avoid any legal issues with Tyrone himself.

There were workarounds for the more original 2x res mods like making your own 2x res versions of the vanilla graphics, but not everyone was good at pixel art and people were taking the lazy route anyway.
Note: While there are now many modders here and in the CSMC who are aware about the consequences and are working around by producing their own open source graphics for anybody to use, there's still that fear that someone will want to use the Nicalis graphics instead.
 
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basically you can't because we say so
 
Jun 27, 2018 at 2:16 PM
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Oh yeah, I just thought, where did this idea of not using sprites from a game that is being sold come from. Did Tyrone ask us not to or something? I'm asking because sites like mfgg.net show that the idea "oh, they're from a SOLD GAME, best not use them" is not universal
Because of the way copyright law works, even Pixel could potentially come to us and tell us he's shutting all of this down, because Cave Story is his I.P.; but since it's a free game, he has no motivation to do so. I mean, it'd be pretty greedy to sue somebody for 'remixing' or modding a game you're not making money off of in the first place. (and he doesn't run ads, so redistributing the game in its original form elsewhere also couldn't be considered taking money away from him)
NiCALiS, however, are monetising Cave Story+ (and, as corporate entities go, they're relatively greedy), so if someone uses its assets, or takes things from Cave Story+, they could be seen as harming NiCALiS financially; in a way akin to piracy. Because of all this NiCALiS have a motive to sue in order to protect their rights, and make money off of them where they may have lost it.
 
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