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Aug 5, 2004 at 10:52 PM
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Names

Koudeka Iasant: A well known phtographer by the name of Josef Koudelka, made a study of gypsies in Slovakia and Rumania.

Edward De Plunkett (Brankett): Dunsany, Edward John Moreton Drax Plunkett, 18th Baron. English author. His life was spent as a soldier and sportsman. Lord Dunsany’s plays, often dealing with the fantastic and supernatural, include The Gods of the Mountain (1911), The Golden Doom (1912), and the one-act play A Night at an Inn (1916). His prose works include A Dreamer’s Tales (1910), The Book of Wonder (1912), My Talks with Dean Spanley (1936), The Story of Mona Sheehy (1937), and A Glimpse from a Watch Tower (1946).
Source by: http://www.bartleby.com/65/du/Dunsany.html

James O'Flaherty: Uknown. Here is a list of some O'flaherty names... http://www.angelfire.com/wa/moycullenwest/famous.html

Roger Bacon: There is a lot about Roger Bacon that is not known. Especially about his time as a student in Oxford. It is true that he was contemporaries with such men as Adam de Marisco and Robert Grosseteste, Bishop of London. Roger is noted to be quite an admirer of Robert Grosseteste (noted in http://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/about/oxford-figures/ch1-2.shtml). There seems to be some question of wheter or not Roger actually completed his studies at Oxford...or at Merton or Brasenose. According to the Global Encyclopedia at http://www.roma1.infn.it/rog/group/frasca/b/bacon.html, neither Merton of Brasenose had been founded in the time of Bacon's schooling. It seemed in much of what Bacon did and said, there was controversy attached. Additional information was gleaned from http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon

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Events

Princess Alice: "The Bywell Castle was in collision with the Princess Alice, in the Thames, on September 3rd, 1878. The Princess Alice, licensed to carry 936 persons, was supposed to have been carrying almost 700 when struck. She was literally cut in half and sank almost instantly. The Captain of the Princess Alice lost his life. His 1st Mate, Long, said the Bywell Castle was seen when 150 yards off and shouts were raised and the steam-whistle sounded to warn her off. Conversely, the Captain of the Bywell Castle blamed the Princess Alice for starboarding her helm when she ought to have continued on the port helm. It was said in the press that Thames navigation seemed happy-go-lucky with each pilot doing what seemed right in his own eyes, accommodating the movements of his vessel to the exigencies of the tide and the circumstances of the moment. Lord Sandon proposed that a Committee should be appointed consisting of one member from Trinity House, one from the Admiralty, one from the Steamship Owners' Association of London and three from the Board of Trade to consider the Rule of the Road, lights, signals, speed, number of passengers carried, appliances for saving life and the hours during which passengers could be carried by river steamers. It was said that the London Steamboat Company laid a claim in the Admiralty Court against the owners of the Bywell Castle for £20,000 as compensation for the loss of the Princess Alice. Visitors to the scene of the wreck visited in large numbers and became so unruly, taking away souvenirs, that the police had to restore order. It was also rumoured that valuable items were removed from dead bodies."

(From the Illustrated London News, 1878)

She was built by Tod & McGregor Glasgow in 1843, was classified as a Paddle Steamer and owned by Kemp & Co.

Here's the particulars for her:
http://www.gregormacgregor.com/Tod&...ss_Alice_38.htm

According to records of the day, she went down September 1878 in the Thames near Woolwich Arsenal. she was rammed by the Bywell Castle, and ripped in two. The boat sank within minutes; 650 died, 50 survived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice
and here:
http://www.portcities.org.uk/london...cess-Alice.html

With a picture of the wheel spoke retrieved from the drowned ship.
http://www.portcities.org.uk/london...cess-Alice.html
{Contributed by Mikononyte}


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Misc

Fomors: According to all sources, the Fomors were Gaelic demons.
"The fomorians, whose name means 'dark of the sea,' were a race of Gaelic demons said to be the offspring of Noah's son, Ham. They are said to have the body of a man & the head of a goat, according to an 11th century text called The Book of the Dun Cow.

Most sources list the Fomorians as one of the 4 races of Ireland who were defeated by the Tuatha De Danaan. "
The above was taken from http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/fomors.asp. Any yet in another place, it is stated that the druids created the document. I am guessing that Roger is saying the origins of the Emigre document was knowledge from the Fomors, and used by the Druids.

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Locations:

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I was just in London over the Holidays and, although it took me a bit, I found Old Castle Street. Here are 3 piccies of what it looks like today. The man who showed me where the street was located, told me that 40 odd years ago the district was Jewish. It currently abuts, as it did even a hundred years ago, Pettycoat Lane, and is in the heart of the Textile district of London. You can still buy innexpensive textiles and household goods there in the street market. Otherwise a very industrial and commercial area. And as it's in the East End, you can expect there are shady characters there; lots of history too, and St. Bartholomew the Lessor's church. Makes me wish I'd had more time to buy the gentleman a cuppa and talk to him about his native area of London.
{Contributed by Mikononyte}

Nemeton: Apparently derived from the word "Nemed"

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Items:
Sacnoth: A story written by Lord Dunsany "The Fortress Unvanquishable, Save For Sacnoth"
 
Nov 16, 2004 at 8:45 AM
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*snicker* OMG Mental imagery! *dies*

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I have soooo much to update here....I can't wait til Weds to get this forum up to speed
 
Nov 21, 2004 at 12:21 AM
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I'm not sure if this would be "historical" reference, but in the interview they said that Koudelka's looks were based on Natalie Portman and Wynona Rider (her character in Alien 4).
 
Jan 26, 2005 at 5:26 AM
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I was just in London over the Holidays and, although it took me a bit, I found Old Castle Street. Here are 3 piccies of what it looks like today. The man who showed me where the street was located, told me that 40 odd years ago the district was Jewish. It currently abuts, as it did even a hundred years ago, Pettycoat Lane, and is in the heart of the Textile district of London. You can still buy innexpensive textiles and household goods there in the street market. Otherwise a very industrial and commercial area. And as it's in the East End, you can expect there are shady characters there; lots of history too, and St. Bartholomew the Lessor's church. Makes me wish I'd had more time to buy the gentleman a cuppa and talk to him about his native area of London.
 
Feb 13, 2005 at 7:15 PM
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OOOers at the pictures. XD That's so cool!
 
Feb 14, 2005 at 3:27 AM
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And I forgot about this one for the Princess Alice, the cruise ship mentioned in Koudelka.

She was built by Tod & McGregor Glasgow in 1843, was classified as a Paddle Steamer and owned by Kemp & Co.

Here's the particulars for her:
http://www.gregormacgregor.com/Tod&Macgregor/Princess_Alice_38.htm

According to records of the day, she went down September 1878 in the Thames near Woolwich Arsenal. she was rammed by the Bywell Castle, and ripped in two. The boat sank within minutes; 650 died, 50 survived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice
and here:
http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/ConFactFile.45/The-Princess-Alice.html


With a picture of the wheel spoke retrieved from the drowned ship.
http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/conMediaFile.6943/A-ships-wheel-spoke-from-the-Princess-Alice.html


I did mention I loved to do research, right? :)
 
Feb 15, 2005 at 1:12 AM
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PenPen said:
I'm not sure if this would be "historical" reference, but in the interview they said that Koudelka's looks were based on Natalie Portman and Wynona Rider (her character in Alien 4).
Do you know what book you got the interview from? And who said it?
 
Feb 15, 2005 at 3:27 PM
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You know, it's that visual guide book that I haven't translated for you yet. X_X

I'll look into who said it.

*must finish translations of the mangas*

Your presence online reminds me that I need to do that. You should show yourself to me more often so that I will complete what I have promised in the NEAR future. O_O
 
Feb 16, 2005 at 6:11 AM
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*luffle* I will be online more as I have my own place again. And I will be uploading the translations you HAVE done, so that should give you more incentive to finish the rest, as parts 1 and 2 go up XD

I just need the names for purposes of officialness.

Also, look in the forum for the other post I did about the supposed origins of Koudelka and the SNK team and such...can you look in to that and see if there is any information on it?
 
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