Nicalis sort of ruined cave story in a way.From what I've heard the general idea is:
-Pixel signed an agreement back in the Wiiware era for CS+
-Nicalis put specifics in the contract that were hard to notice
-These specifics essentially gave Nicalis full control over Cave Story
-This is why there isn't a sequel to Cave Story (Though Tyrone teased at one in one of his more recent posts in response to me)
-This is why we don't have Beta Cvae Story
-This is why Pixel avoids talking about Cave Story
The only real counter evidence we have is the presence of Cave Story songs in future Pixel games.
Thanks for adding nothing constructive to the conversation
But yes, It seems that NICALiS is holding back Pixel in some way.
If it were up to Pixel he'd most definitely be working with Playism to release Cave Story and possible spinoffs of it.
did you credit pixel in your "happy birthday cave story" tweet? i know i didnt because it never crossed my mind. i didnt credit tyrone either.Considering that NiCALiS is literally hiding the fact that fans are pissed with them over the rights, I think it's pretty safe to say that at least some truth in these complaints. If the truth was different, I'm sure NiCALiS would come forward and say so. Instead they literally decide to not even credit pixel in the 15th anniversary tweet so take from that what you will.
hot take but that meme was never funnyTbh, if people are that bothered by Tyrone and Nicalis, we can just say Hatsune Miku owns Cave Story. I mean, Notch is a far better person than Tyrone, but the "Miku made Minecraft" meme has been spread in a more positive light, so maybe the same can be done for Cave Story.
Because legally, he might not own the rights to it :4head:why dont we just say pixel owns cave story because he literally made it
and does hatsune miku somehow actually own the rights to cave story?Because legally, he might not own the rights to it :4head:
Most we can hope for is some clarification by @tyrone to see what he thinks and if any steps will be taken to mend the situation at all, rather than simple censorship.
If there was a sequel to the game, Nicalis (please for the love of God use the right capitalization, everyone) would make it. It might be in works, who knows? But knowing how toxic this fandom can be when it comes to Nicalis, I don't think they would want to release it.-This is why there isn't a sequel to Cave Story
No, it was Pixel's decision to not release the beta. He thought of it as too buggy, which is understandable. I wouldn't want to publish my old, buggy, and cringy software now either.This is why we don't have Beta Cvae Story
Why would he talk about Cave Story (a 15 year old game) when he has published a newer game that he can talk about and promote? Especially considering the toxicity of the fandom.This is why Pixel avoids talking about Cave Story
As if that would matter anything to you. You and everyone else with a hateboner for Nicalis* would just say they're lying if they actually responded to the accusations. Hell. You'd even say Pixel was forced to lie about it if he responded instead of Nicalis. Like Cyber said, there's nothing wrong with hiding toxic replies.Considering that NiCALiS is literally hiding the fact that fans are pissed with them over the rights, I think it's pretty safe to say that at least some truth in these complaints. If the truth was different, I'm sure NiCALiS would come forward and say so.
Nicalis owns the IP, but Pixel still has rights to it. It's literally how most video game publisher companies work.Because legally, he might not own the rights to it
But knowing how toxic this fandom can be when it comes to Nicalis
Now, i don't know what goes on in Twitter or even the now-defunct Cave Story subreddit. But should you want to know why they're usually to blame here, Tyrone/Nicalis are just our common scapegoat for many things. Afaik this community doesn't really have much against them, they're just the butt of all jokes. We knew all along that they're pretty bad (be it based on the subject on this thread, the racist/sexist allegations, or anything else really), but it just all blew up when everybody else in the fandom found out and sparked even more conversations.Especially considering the toxicity of the fandom.
You and everyone else with a hateboner for Nicalis*
...would just say they're lying if they actually responded to the accusations. Hell. You'd even say Pixel was forced to lie about it if he responded instead of Nicalis.
I would love to see something like this, but with how poorly NICALiS has handled every port of everything they've ever worked with, I highly doubt it's a possibility unless they get a ton of help or get their act together. I do feel like a Cave Story 2 using a similar engine would be great, but I'd rather they don't touch the original characters unless it's just some sort of passing mention / reference to them, since I don't really see where a truly good cave story sequel can come from (without a huge timeskip / alternate universe) since most of the major plot threads got wrapped up pretty well in the original game.It's extremely profitable even in 2019, if a sequel was released or if they just recycled the beta, it would probably fly off of shelves just due to how influential Cave Story was as a game. For all I care with the right mindset Tyrone and Pixel could get people like Toby Fox to help them develop another installment and it'd probably send shock waves through the entire gaming industry.
3DS eShop/DSIware ports were goodbut with how poorly NICALiS has handled every port of everything they've ever worked with
I was actually looking into sequel claims last night. In 2010 and 2014 he stated that he didn’t really want to make one (2010: https://www.destructoid.com/cave-story-creator-talks-inspirations-sequel-and-more-168541.phtml, 2014: https://www.destructoid.com/cave-st...-to-quit-working-with-publishers-275541.phtml) Also, i remember reading something about the beta saying it wouldn’t be released because Pixel said it was too buggy, but that may be wrong.-This is why there isn't a sequel to Cave Story (Though Tyrone teased at one in one of his more recent posts in response to me)
-This is why we don't have Beta Cvae Story
-This is why Pixel avoids talking about Cave Story