Do Humans and Mimigas speak the same language?

Each minor trait in the process of evolution must be positive.

Actually no. Each trait must NOT be negative. A trait can be positive, or it can be BENIGN. Sex determines a large portion of traits in social species as well, specifically what one or both sex finds attractive in the opposite.

 

(Old theories!)
although a bit off track
Perhaps it's like this :

People of Ballos' kingdom are human.
King causes Ballos to go insane and destroys the kingdom.

Jenka unable to kill her brother locks him up.
The island perhaps is seperated from the world that caused this.
Any human survivors on the island are cursed into becoming creature like.

The magic becomes permanent as children are born Mimiga.



We already know Misery cursed Sue and Itoh into becoming similar to Mimigas.
We already know the Red Crystal (red flower -> maybe related to Ballos or the Core) changed the Doctor, Sue and Misery further.
We already know the Red Flowers cause Mimigas to become mutated frenzied versions.

We already know that Sue and Itoh are trying to be put back to normal through technological means... However, they seem to turn back into mimigas shortly after... [meaning the treatments may not be a lasting cure or defy conventional science]

We know frenzied mimigas don't seem to be able to turn back into normal under normal circumstances.

So, I say there is a possibility that Mimigas are people who were magically transformed/cursed. And then it became permanent over time.

 

Yet you still maintain the absurd "real world" notion that rabbits exist or even once existed in this world. You can't have it both ways.

Because it is obvious they're based on rabbits. However, your idea has no barring or backing within the Cave Story world. While Mimigas look like humanoid rabbits.

 

Because it is obvious they're based on rabbits. However, your idea has no barring or backing within the Cave Story world. While Mimigas look like humanoid rabbits.

The fact that Pixel based Mimigas on rabbits design-wise has very little bearing on the in-game world. Next thing you'll be saying that zora "magically evolved" from tuna because by god any fictional species in fictional worlds "just have to be" tied by evolution or magic to our own. And for anyone wondering that was sarcasm. *shakes head*

Just prove to me that rabbits exist or have existed in CS' world. Not our world, not within Cave Story's design, but within the context of the game's world. I dare you. Otherwise you are basing your theory entirely on speculation.

 

Just prove to me that rabbits exist or have existed in CS' world. Not our world, not within Cave Story's design, but within the context of the game's world. I dare you. Otherwise you are basing your theory entirely on speculation.

Just prove they have never existed within the Cave Story world, I dare you.

 

It seems likely that, since Sue, Momorin, Kazuma, Prof Booster, and the Doctor were some sort of expedition to the island, and since the island HAD been known for a decade or two...

They probably studied the local language(s) before they left the surface.

And Quote/Curly have said language(s) programmed in, because they were sent as scouts, and knowing the local language is RATHER IMPORTANT.

 

Just prove they have never existed within the Cave Story world, I dare you.

So mature...

In any case since there is no basis in known in-game fact (as admitted above) you are simply speculating rather than theorizing. A theory needs to build upon fact, not possibilities. Since as you say neither of us can truely prove anything either way in this regard then there is little basis for a theory.

 

I can't answer you seriously after you said

Otherwise you are basing your theory entirely on speculation.

Over 95% of everything that has been discussed in this subforum is based on speculation. Even this thread about Humans and Mimigas is based on speculation. While saying that Quote has a program that translate any language is a decent theory, it is nothing but speculation since nothing in the game comes close to stating as such.

Even Pixel himself said he wanted any and all theories about the game based on speculation.

I really hope your post was a joke otherwise I can never take a word you say seriously again.

 

Shut up Lowell

I can't answer you seriously after you said

Otherwise you are basing your theory entirely on speculation.

Over 95% of everything that has been discussed in this subforum is based on speculation. Even this thread about Humans and Mimigas is based on speculation. While saying that Quote has a program that translate any language is a decent theory, it is nothing but speculation since nothing in the game comes close to stating as such.

Even Pixel himself said he wanted any and all theories about the game based on speculation.

I really hope your post was a joke otherwise I can never take a word you say seriously again.

No, he has a very clear point.
The best theories have at least a sliver of facts from the game itself backing them, or we'll get the crap like "Oh, the Core really must actually be made of glowy-blue-eyed robotic monkey-men, that explains the eyes, and since we can't see inside it ever, you can't say no, so it has to be a plausible theory!" and there'd be no end to it.
There wouldn't be such a thing as theory discussion, because you could pull the rule Everything Is Speculation crap against anyone who dares argue against you.

Every theory needs something from the actual game to back it up, or it's nothing more than a fanfic.

 

Even theories that rely on actual fact are nothing more than fanfic, Lowell. Every theory does rely on speculation. That's not to say some aren't more valid, but that largely is in the eye of the beholder.

I'd say that Meta's theory of them coming from rabbits is plausible. We can't assume that quote came into contact with every single living thing. Plus rabbits could have somehow gone extinct over the years (the great rabbit plague).

 

Re: Shut up Lowell

The best theories have at least a sliver of facts from the game itself backing them

The fact that Mimigas look like rabbits gives it that little sliver of fact you speak of.

 

Re: Shut up Lowell

The fact that Mimigas look like rabbits gives it that little sliver of fact you speak of.

No, because that fact exists outside of the in-game world. Just because Pixel designed them after rabbits doesn't necessarily mean that they are rabbits in-game.

In fact the only species that Earth and CS' world have in common as far as we know are humans, dogs, cats, and bats. Flying jellyfish is questionable. There's also squids but those are technically from another world.

 

Re: Shut up Lowell

It doesn't change the fact that it is possible.

 

It should be noted that Mimigas are only native to the island, suggesting that the island never came from the surface.

Where did you get that idea from, that Mimigas are only native to the island.
I mean I always thought they were just on the island but...

At least from Jenka's quote :
"Had the red flowers not existed, the Mimigas might have vanished entirely
from the island..."

That added, "from the island" leaves room for interpetation. Plus we know, Frenzied Mimigas descended during the 10 year war; and in the good ending the humans brought a few Mimigas back with them. So what's to say different types of Mimigas aren't established on the surface, from long before?

[I haven't checked the whole dialogue for other possiblities though]

Also, to make war with the earth, assuming it lasted for some time. [Wars usually are longer than just a few days.......] One possiblity could be that there are many Mimigas throughout the world. Perhaps whereever the island went, they found a way to change the surface Mimigas into Frenzied Mimigas. It's kind of like a zombie apocalyapse, all your mimigas belong to us

 

Friendly Theory discussion

Even theories that rely on actual fact are nothing more than fanfic, Lowell. Every theory does rely on speculation. That's not to say some aren't more valid, but that largely is in the eye of the beholder.

Did I ever say that a theory has to be without speculation?
No, I said it has to have at least some facts to it, even if just a tiny sliver. If it does nothing at all to use the game to support it, it's nothing but a fanfic. That simple.
Why? Because it's a pick-and-choose thing now, nothing supports anything, so it's up to whatever you like. Your theory becomes your opinion, and thus fanfic is the easiest way to describe it. And like I said earlier, there'd be no reason to even have a theory discussion then, because there'd be no way to argue against any of them, people will just shout out their opinions and that's it.
It cannot be a theory if there is nothing at all to back it up. Logic like "They look like X, so they must be related." doesn't even frackin' work in the real world. We have doppelganger species that are not related at all to each other; so even if you wanted some flimsy excuse like that, because it's in the real world, you can't magically ignore this as well. Sometimes it even works in reverse, we have species that look nothing alike, but they are related. Looks are bullshit for facts, honestly.

I'd say that Meta's theory of them coming from rabbits is plausible. We can't assume that quote came into contact with every single living thing. Plus rabbits could have somehow gone extinct over the years (the great rabbit plague).

That's still speculation built only upon more speculation.
Anyone could counter it with whatever the hell they want and still be equally plausabile, it only comes down to which theory fanfic you like.
They could have simply evolved from a rather furry small mammal with two small front and two large back paws and large floppy ears, and still not be rabbits. {And don't even bother saying "Oh that is rabbits", because again, if we're pulling speculation from the real world, that would not fly, that's general enough to describe more than one species} There's nothing at all to say they didn't, and nothing at all to say it had to be rabbits. If we go back to the "They look like X" thing, again, it doesn't even work in our reality, so you don't even have that flimsy board holding you up.

It doesn't change the fact that it is possible.

Just like the glowing-blue-eyed robotic monkey-men in the Core are possible, but the game gives not even the smallest of facts to support or disprove either...

 

Just like the glowing-blue-eyed robotic monkey-men in the Core are possible, but the game gives not even the smallest of facts to support or disprove either...

I prefer the theory that it was a cat operating the core the whole time and the bright blue spots were floodlights.

Spoiler

I forgot what the topic of this thread was.

 

Re: Friendly Theory discussion

It cannot be a theory if there is nothing at all to back it up. Logic like "They look like X, so they must be related." doesn't even frackin' work in the real world.

Theory:
1. A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

Basically a theory doesn't need anything to back it up Lowell. There can be very little evidence (if any) and it is still a theory. And theories, both thosed based on some ingame facts and those that rely more heavily on speculation are, more or less, equally valid. One could argue that one is better but that is ultimately a matter of opinion. Don't tell me that the real world doesn't *work* this way, since Creationism is a theory (that many people support despite the lack of evidence, and what I would consider a lack of logic due to the evidence presented for evolution). A theory does not need facts the way you suggest it does. Even if a theory does use facts from the game to support it, it is nothing more than fanfiction since it is non-canon.

I prefer the theory that it was a cat operating the core the whole time and the bright blue spots were floodlights.

Spoiler

I forgot what the topic of this thread was.

In Cave Story, everything can be explained with cats. It's probably the most likely solution too, what with Pixel's fetish obsession with them.

 

Worthless place now

Theory:
1. A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

Basically a theory doesn't need anything to back it up Lowell. There can be very little evidence (if any) and it is still a theory. And theories, both thosed based on some ingame facts and those that rely more heavily on speculation are, more or less, equally valid. One could argue that one is better but that is ultimately a matter of opinion. Don't tell me that the real world doesn't *work* this way, since Creationism is a theory (that many people support despite the lack of evidence, and what I would consider a lack of logic due to the evidence presented for evolution). A theory does not need facts the way you suggest it does. Even if a theory does use facts from the game to support it, it is nothing more than fanfiction since it is non-canon.

Fine, excuse me, I was just doing what you guys do with Mod/hacks, using another definition.
And no, a theory that uses almost all speculations has -nothing- over one that uses ingame facts; again we would not have a freakin' theory discussion if this were true.
Tell me how the hell can we have a discussion and arguments if all it takes is a "Oh it's just speculation, shut up." to stop any argument?
Otherwise, we should change this section, it's nothing more than a "Shout your opinion here" place now.

 

*shrug*

"Cave Story Theories Based on In-Game Fact" was too long.
When a theory is not based on fact it is called "conjecture", however there isn't a word for a theory rooted in fact. Where do I bug-report the English language?

I could create a subforum for speculation if the need is there. I've seen it done before on another forum.

 

Otherwise, we should change this section, it's nothing more than a "Shout your opinion here" place now.

I could create a subforum for speculation if the need is there. I've seen it done before on another forum.

Which bee went and got in both your bonnets? The entire base of this section is on speculation about stuff in the game. To split it off would make Theories empty since all "pure facts" about the game have been discussed and there is only speculation left. If you look through 5 pages of this forum you'll find most of them are based on speculation and the others belong in Discussion.

And, Lowell. You realize that the entirety of all forums are "Shout your opinion here" places. Right?