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CSTSF Modding Competition 2017 - Submission and Discussion Thread

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Apr 26, 2017 at 3:51 PM
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I really wish you (this goes for everybody here) would stop trying to act as if you have the slightest clue how I think, what I think of things, and how I feel. I don't understand you, and I don't really want to. And you most certainly without a spec of doubt do not know a single thing about how I think, work, and behave internally, externally in person, or anything like that. You have no clue, so stop please acting as if you know everything; because if I had to chose between explaining and giving up because your vision is so hopelessly twisted... ... ... actually I'm not going to leave in my real answer to that. I did legitimately type an answer, and I bet my body, everything I own, and everyone whom I love that you will not within 10 years guess what my answer was."
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I think I know what I see, I thing everyone knows what they see. I was going to write out something but I think the intentions are pretty clear at this point of where we both stand.
I take modding from a gamedev perspective and you take it from a modding pserspective. You don't like it; can't learn ASM yourself and you made this contest I might be wrong, but it's a good look into what other people might think of you. You /do/ know that what other people think of you is very important (especially on these forums, I'm sure you're aware that we are fairly tightly knit).

I do think I made myself look like an egotistical person in my last post (and it was far from what I was aiming for) but yeah I did and I don't expect anyone else to think differently about it. I chose my words poorly and that's that. I'm stuck with making a fool out of myself and have to deal with it, intentional or not.

at least I made GiR laugh, that was a good thing that came out of it

The thing is, you keep forgetting that you have to keep a decent public image if you want people to not hate your guts out.

Yeah, I fucked up and I'm sorry for it. But you think you're perfect because it's "all in your head" and your "master plan" because you can think no evil and anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

Whether you /actually/ think you're a saint (or pretty close anyway) pisses people off because they don't want to deal with uncorrectable people that are just going to stick around and annoy the shit out of them (there's a reason there's a "don't be a dick" rule on the internet.)

How you refuse to be corrected in any form or fashion is juvenile and inconsiderate. Please consider what others think of you; you can certainly still be you but don't be so strung up in your own little world. (and maybe I'll start doing the same regardless).
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 4:31 PM
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Okay zxin, I think you're overreacting a bit here. BLink clearly missed the point of this contest and definitely went too far with his post trying to put you down for disallowing ASM hacks in this contest, but the attitude of your response made things worse. I think it would be best for you to accept the olive branch he's just extended to you so that this doesn't get any more heated.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 4:38 PM
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A brand new waste of 2 hours is incoming.
OKAY, so I'm like half an hour into this and we just got a new reply, it'll come first and I'm probably not going to be very nice in it..
Okay zxin, I think you're overreacting a bit here. BLink definitely went too far with his post trying to put you down for disallowing ASM hacks in this contest, but the attitude of your response made things worse. I think it would be best for you to accept the olive branch he's just extended to you so that no further controversy arises from this.
Unlike many of the other responses to this thread, BLink's was very personal.
Also; if by accepting the olive branch you mean being more like the other people here, then I will have to snap that branch and kindly point the finger. I'm not interested whatsoever in acting more like you people do just so that I can fit in. I don't care about that, and I'm not forcibly changing how I act to satisfy you. Why on earth would I do that?
EDIT: Sorry for being so rude. I'd like to clarify that I didn't really mean to address Hayden directly here, it was more just directed at the members of the community who actively make it an unpleasant place for me.

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[insert rant about how I do not understand what you mean at all]

I think I know what I see, I thing everyone knows what they see.
I'm sure there's a portion of the brain that processes what you are seeing so that you can understand. It still doesn't allow me to comprehend ASM.
I was going to write out something but I think the intentions are pretty clear at this point of where we both stand.
Intentions of where we stand? Well I don't UNDERstand.
I take modding from a gamedev perspective and you take it from a modding pserspective.
No, I take it from a game development perspective. Not usually using original concepts, though. Again, you're way off and you don't understand me at all.
You don't like it; can't learn ASM yourself and you made this contest I might be wrong,
Wrong again. I told you not to make assumptions, but I guess you can't see anything 'negative', including answers to questions,
like "FALSE.". I made this contest because I had been planning to make a mod myself that uses 0 ASM, none at all. And then TLink brought up un the suggestions thread that they'd like to see a contest with no ASM. I remembered that last year I knew I wanted to make a contest this year, so that was my inspiration to actually do it.
This could have been gathered from the things I have said in the past, and circumstantial evidence.
If you're not so sure, don't state it as if it's true.

but it's a good look into what other people might think of you. You /do/ know that what other people think of you is very important (especially on these forums, I'm sure you're aware that we are fairly tightly knit).
I don't see it as a good reflection of what people think about me at all. People don't like me because I come off as very brash, and thus people preconceive notions about who I am and they become biased because of that.

I do think I made myself look like an egotistical person in my last post (and it was far from what I was aiming for)
I don't think you made yourself look egotistical, but you spoke as if you were very egotistical. Because these can be 2 different things. It's not very obvious what you were aiming for, the best we can manage is a poor estimation, which as I've said before is not the best to use as evidence to judge somebody's character. Maybe in more objective cases.
but yeah I did and I don't expect anyone else to think differently about it.
Nothing to say here.
I chose my words poorly and that's that. I'm stuck with making a fool out of myself and have to deal with it, intentional or not.
Why would you intentionally make yourself look bad? There are reasons, but I don't see how those would play into this.


The thing is, you keep forgetting that you have to keep a decent public image if you want people to not hate your guts out.
That's impossible for me at this point. Why would I bother? It's not like I like very many of the people here, or want to be in any way associated with them at all. I'm mostly just using them for information, with about 6 notable exceptions.

Yeah, I fucked up and I'm sorry for it
Each time you say this is sounds progressively more disingenuous.
But you think you're perfect because it's "all in your head" and your "master plan" because you can think no evil and anyone who disagrees is an idiot.
Okay, come on. I've never said anything that would hint that I think anything even remotely close to this, and this is what I mean about the bias and preconceived notions thing. I think that you've gone seriously wrong, and I hate saying it but I think it's pretty dumb of you to assume that I'm this up myself. I think that if I did actually think this about myself then I would probably be much happier, and then I probably wouldn't seem as distasteful as I do.
As it is, everything I have made so far inadequate. And so am I, ridiculously so, but I only want to work to make myself happy. I'm not like you, nor would I consider myself remotely like anybody else here. I don't care so much about people, I care about things, and accomplishing my goals.


Whether you /actually/ think you're a saint (or pretty close anyway)
How could you actually believe that I think like that? What sad tale has mislead you this far? What the fuck??
pisses people off because they don't want to deal with uncorrectable people that are just going to stick around and annoy the shit out of them
And you're wrong again. I am not uncorrectable either, you're just not giving me any kind of motivation or lack of intellect for me to "correct" myself, or to believe that I need to be corrected.
If you can show me that something is wrong, and that you have proof that it is wrong, and I have adequate reason to correct it I will.


How you refuse to be corrected in any form or fashion is juvenile and inconsiderate.
Unlike you, I am not an adult, so I accept the tile of juvenile.
Inconsiderate? Sure.
Do I refuse to be corrected in any fashion or form? No, I've corrected things many times under the guidance of those better educated, or who see something that I have blocked out of sight.

Please consider what others think of you;
I do that all the time, but when it comes to people I don't like I tend to treat that information differently.
you can certainly still be you but don't be so strung up in your own little world.
But I am, and I like it that way. It allows me to work more. I don't see any worthwhile reason not to be.
(and maybe I'll start doing the same regardless).
I'm sure the way you are now you wouldn't want that. But if you find that your mind has changed, then you can come join me on this side of the bridge. Tell me in advance and I'll try to set up a big empty room for you.
Turned out more like 45 mins.
 
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Apr 26, 2017 at 4:44 PM
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"Why should be be punished for putting all our skills into one of the hardest aspects of modding?"
Just a brief aside that this sentence is fucking hilarious because doing neat/gimmicky ASM is waaaay easier than making a good level or writing a good story or spriting good art assets or composing good music

This argument is pointless btw and if I had the time I would gladly make a better mod with vanilla CS than either of you can, with or without ASM. See me when I run my own contest. I'm not gonna be judging it so there's no conflict of interest

tl;dr: learn to make good mods idc how
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 4:52 PM
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"Why should be be punished for putting all our skills into one of the hardest aspects of modding?"
Just a brief aside that this sentence is fucking hilarious because doing neat/gimmicky ASM is waaaay easier than making a good level or writing a good story or spriting good art assets or composing good music
Hm, yes you are right.

This argument is pointless btw and if I had the time I would gladly make a better mod with vanilla CS than either of you can, with or without ASM.
I seriously ruthlessly doubt you could make anything that I would enjoy more than I enjoyed Cave Story back in the day.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 4:55 PM
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I would gladly make a better mod with vanilla CS than either of you can, with or without ASM. See me when I run my own contest.
Is this thread where everyone just ego-trips mad balls?
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 4:58 PM
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Is this thread where everyone just ego-trips mad balls?
I can agree that what duncathan said was possibly quite egotistical, but I don't think BLink is really that bad.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 4:59 PM
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I made this contest because I had been planning to make a mod myself that uses 0 ASM, none at all. And then TLink brought up un the suggestions thread that they'd like to see a contest with no ASM.
if you read his post again you can clearly see a difference between his and your visions.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 5:01 PM
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if you read his post again you can clearly see a difference between his and your visions.
Yeah, I did decide to take it all the way, because figuring out what kind of hacks WOULD be allowed would be ridiculous, and I don't think anybody would want to do that.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 5:02 PM
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Yeah, I did decide to take it all the way, because figuring out what kind of hacks WOULD be allowed would be ridiculous, and I don't think anybody would want to do that.
Didn't knew we had over 100 documented hacks.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 5:03 PM
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I seriously ruthlessly doubt you could make anything that I would enjoy more than I enjoyed Cave Story back in the day.
that's likely; I don't think I'm better than pixel by any means. CS has a very unique charm and I don't think I have the capacity to do that
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 5:03 PM
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I can agree that what duncathan said was possibly quite egotistical, but I don't think BLink is really that bad.
Nice try kid, but you gotta get up to our level if you wanna play with the big boys, not change the rules to drag us down.
I mean, nothing really egotistical about calling yourself a big boy, is there?
That was sarcasm, for those who don't pick up on it.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 5:04 PM
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oh my god
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM
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Didn't knew we had over 100 documented hacks.
Hm?
that's likely; I don't think I'm better than pixel by any means. CS has a very unique charm and I don't think I have the capacity to do that
Yes, and I think it's rather by accident some of the time. And Kero Blaster has something else, it's the charm of a game made by a humble Japanese man.
I mean, nothing really egotistical about calling yourself a big boy, is there?
BLink has admitted that what he said was wrong, and I don't think it should be challenged any further. Something said one day is irrelevant the next, and it can be left behind.
Although despite that I will still question how sincere his pseudo apology was.
I know, the thread blew up. The only sign was some sparks!
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 5:29 PM
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So is there anybody who can seriously explain me how people feel offended and targeted from not being able to use ASM in a contest they don't even have to join, or even have been asked to do so.
There's no reason to feel the need to join every contest there is, unless you like tripping on your ego.

Also tbqhwy no matter how much ASM you stuff in your mod, it can still be utter trash if you refuse to do anything else.

It's not like I like very many of the people here, or want to be in any way associated with them at all. I'm mostly just using them for information, with about 6 notable exceptions.
I'm p sure some people will be offended by this, it sure came over as a little offensive to me.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 5:31 PM
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look i don't like the execution of this contest more than the next person but really guys? you don't have to protect the sanctity of the elitist community or whatever or assert that you're superior. i'm honestly sorry to zxin about any flak going on in this thread
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 6:11 PM
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look i don't like the execution of this contest more than the next person but really guys? you don't have to protect the sanctity of the elitist community or whatever or assert that you're superior. i'm honestly sorry to zxin about any flak going on in this thread
Well... er... thank you very much? Though I don't really see how it's not seen as a problem elsewhere, but still thanks.

So is there anybody who can seriously explain me how people feel offended and targeted from not being able to use ASM in a contest they don't even have to join, or even have been asked to do so.
There's no reason to feel the need to join every contest there is, unless you like tripping on your ego.

Also tbqhwy no matter how much ASM you stuff in your mod, it can still be utter trash if you refuse to do anything else.


I'm p sure some people will be offended by this, it sure came over as a little offensive to me.
-Because nobody seems to take ANYTHING impersonally. This, my notes, many posts on this thread, all very impersonal. But nobody really understands that I suppose. Their loss.
But at the same time nobody seems to consider that I'm actually a person, and that I am actually deeply hurt by a lot of this stuff, as stoic as I may or might seem. And this isn't in an impersonal context. Like Leo40Story, somebody who I trusted, turned and betrayed me.
And BLink, the person who I found the forums and the modding community trough with Sue's Story, turned around and accused me of being an egotist who held themselves up to being godlike.
I can't try and show the people here something interesting without being punched in the face. I've really had enough of this and I am seriously considering leaving here because I'm sick do death of the community based around I gave that I love making me feel so unhappy with everything I do. This isn't the first time I've cried over this, but if I were to leave then at least I'd be the last.

-I don't really know what tbqhwy means at all, but I know the point the ASM won't always imrove a mod. It's just more versatile.

-I'm sorry, I didn't really mean it like that. I just meant that I generally don't come here to build relationships with the people because they're not really my sort. I come more to collect and occasionally distribute varied types of information. Whether it be mods or mod notes, threads or posts.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 6:17 PM
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Who cares anyway? I was probably the biggest supporter/proponent of this contest when it launched a month ago, and now we have all, including me, gone the past couple of weeks forgetting it exists due to to other projects and stuff.

I don't even know if this will even get an entry at all unfortunately, so why the hell are we throwing personal attacks at each other over it and then now both playing the blame game?!?

I'm looking at both parties when I say this.
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 6:19 PM
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Who cares anyway? I was probably the biggest supporter/proponent of this contest when it launched a month ago, and now we have all, including me, gone the past couple of weeks forgetting it exists due to to other projects and stuff.

I don't even know if this will even get an entry at all unfortunately, so why the hell are we throwing personal attacks at each other over it and then now both playing the blame game?!?

I'm looking at both parties when I say this.
It would be a great shame if nobody ended up entering. That is why I extended the deadline, actually.

Also, who're both parties?
 
Apr 26, 2017 at 8:36 PM
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Well... er... thank you very much? Though I don't really see how it's not seen as a problem elsewhere, but still thanks.


-Because nobody seems to take ANYTHING impersonally. This, my notes, many posts on this thread, all very impersonal. But nobody really understands that I suppose. Their loss.
But at the same time nobody seems to consider that I'm actually a person, and that I am actually deeply hurt by a lot of this stuff, as stoic as I may or might seem. And this isn't in an impersonal context. Like Leo40Story, somebody who I trusted, turned and betrayed me.
And BLink, the person who I found the forums and the modding community trough with Sue's Story, turned around and accused me of being an egotist who held themselves up to being godlike.
I can't try and show the people here something interesting without being punched in the face. I've really had enough of this and I am seriously considering leaving here because I'm sick do death of the community based around I gave that I love making me feel so unhappy with everything I do. This isn't the first time I've cried over this, but if I were to leave then at least I'd be the last.

-I don't really know what tbqhwy means at all, but I know the point the ASM won't always imrove a mod. It's just more versatile.

-I'm sorry, I didn't really mean it like that. I just meant that I generally don't come here to build relationships with the people because they're not really my sort. I come more to collect and occasionally distribute varied types of information. Whether it be mods or mod notes, threads or posts.
1. As much as you want us to be, I am pretty sure that nobody here is a robot. You want to be as "impersonal" as possible, yet you never stop to consider how your words will impact others until it's too late to take them back.


Do you honestly expect everyone to just passively take it when they're so backhandedly insulted? You may be able to convince yourself that you're in the right in these scenarios, yet that just doesn't fly with others or at the very least with me.

2. tbqhwy = to be quite honest with you
Just thought I'd put that out there.
 
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