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  1. Oct 25, 2011
    DoubleThink
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    Community Project Dev Thread [COMPLETION CHECKLIST POSTED]

    Old OP:
    If you didn't catch the discussion thread, this is to be a creative community collaboration to offer Nicalis for the scheduled CS+ update December, because we currently have little to offer them in terms of what they want (which basically amounts to "new maps only"). This thread is where you will submit your ideas, maps and mod feedback; please keep all discussion regarding the specifics of the project over here. I'll put the sections in spoilers this time because I expect them to start large and only get larger. Also note that the deadline for submission is currently set to November 21st midnight American WST.

    AMENDMANT TO THE ABOVE: The 21st is now the submission deadline for the Take 8 beta; a hesitant deadline for final submission is now one week later, or November 28th, same time.

    SECOND AMENDMANT: It's now November 30th, and I expect it to be extended at least once more :critter:

    NO SOLDIERS IN HOUSES: A static deadline has been nixed in favour of a list detailing who needs to do what in order to get this puppy wrapped up. Things that are not put on the list are not going to be waited for, as we are running out of time here. ALL OF YOU CHECK THIS.

    Because strikethrough doesn't work anymore:
    Code:
    [s]Dunc2403:[/s] [s]Post fixed version of area[/s]
    [s]Tpcool:[/s] [s]Post updated version of area[/s]
    [s]Noxid and Lace:[/s] [s]Post completed area[/s] [s]Post updated version of area[/s]
    [s]DoubleThink:[/s] [s]Post completed area[/s]
    [s]MagicDoors:[/s] [s]Post fixed version of area[/s]
    [s]CommanderJersey:[/s] [s]Post completed area/Update area to use the flags he was actually assigned[/s] [s]Post updated version of area[/s]
    [s]Hiino:[/s] [s]Post completed area[/s] [s]along with a guide detailing how to get through it properly >_> (serious)[/s]
    [s]ShInInG PhAnToM Batrider:[/s] [s]Post completed area[/s]
    [s]Safusaka:[/s] [s]Post something or decide that there isn't enough time to complete it[/s]
    ALL CLEAR!


    How to contribute
    If you want to submit an area, then please fill out the submission form below so I can coordinate them and assign you your flag numbers etc. You will need these before you start, so please wait until I add you before you do too much work. If you are uncertain of your modding ability, you are free to wait until you're confident you know what to do; If I am uncertain of your modding ability, I will request that you provide a sample before I add you.

    Note on difficulty: Things should be hard enough to retain some challenge after completion, but not to the degree that they're a roadblock to later areas. If you want to try something experimental or really difficult, you can make that part optional (and therefore fully leave-able via some mechanism).

    If you don't want to do any modding, you can help out by signing up to test maps as they are posted, but please only do one or the other if you aren't finished with your part yet. I want to keep everyone's workload as low as possible (although if you think looking at someone else's work will help that's fine).

    Project modding rules
    Or, quality control. The use of things like music and tilesets can only really be first come first served, so try not to hog all the predictable ideas at once. I'm willing to do some fixing/cleaning up for the main project, but do try to do the most professional job that you can. You are free to work together to help your areas 'match up' better, provided you do it properly. Some type of connectivity or theme may have to be thought up before the end; this will warrant further discussion, as will what to do with item descriptions. The individual areas and a speedrun mode will likely be made available in some manner too.

    In terms of writing: it's okay to use NPCs, but go light on the dialogue. It may get difficult to explain why they're all turning up in random places so it's probably a good idea to have some fun with it. Some type of interactivity is encouraged, otherwise the project might end up feeling a bit empty and listless.


    Mapping rules and tips:
    -Everything must be (at least visually) 'clean'. No messy mapping that jarrs the players' movements or makes them constantly get stuck in the ground.
    -Don't overuse spikes/enemies of any kind/etc unless you know exactly what you're doing.
    -Don't put in enemies that make a ton of noise when you can't see them, or things like moving blocks and Presses that activate before they actually should.
    -Try to avoid using tilesets/enemy sets that have already been used multiple times. Also don't remake Hell, it's been overdone to limbo and back.
    -You can change a map's tileset, but only to another already-existing tileset (i.e. you can't make your own). You can also change the tile properties if you so wish.

    Scripting rules and tips:
    -If something doesn't work properly, it gets fixed or removed. Simple as that.
    -Only use the flags that are allocated to you, and try not to design things that will need skipflags.
    -Make sure to animate things like doors and chests properly.
    -Your maps are limited, but with <MOV it's a simple matter to have multiple 'maps' in one.
    -Your area cannot being from a 'start' point - you must <TRA from somewhere else to begin the first area. You should provide this <TRA function when you submit your area for ease of connecting them up.
    -All items you give over the course of your area must be completely removed at the end, so that each area is fully self-contained. It follows logically that you must add in anything you want the player to start with, and do things like provide your own exp crystals if you want weapons levelled up. If you want to, for example, level up other weapons but not the Nemesis, then only give it to the player after they can't access the exp anymore. Creative modding!
    -Please understand the difference between <KEY and <PRI, and use the latter if in doubt.
    -Try to avoid using the same idea(s) as someone else, and don't all rush to use the Booster 2.0/Spur/other predictable things.
    -If you're going to put a boss fight in, do something interesting with it.
    -Scripting fanciness is always appreciated :awesomeface:
    -If in doubt, the easiest advice I can give is "check how Pixel did it".

    EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU COULD DO:
    -PUZZLE TYPE AREAS THAT DON'T REQUIRE ANY SHOOTING
    -PUZZLE TYPE AREAS THAT DO REQUIRE SHOOTING
    -MOVING BLOCK AREAS
    -WIND OR WATER BASED AREAS
    -A TON OF THINGS INVOLVING H AND V TRIGGERS
    -A DARK AREA/OTHER STYLES OF THINGS THAT NEED THE MAP SYSTEM
    -LARGE <CMP USE LIKE IN JENKA'S NIGHTMARE, OR REALLY ANYTHING YOU CAN DO WITH ANY OF THE COMMANDS
    -AREAS THAT REQUIRE THE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES OF WEAPONS OR ENEMIES, OR GIVING ENEMIES SPECIFIC PROPERTIES
    -THE IDEAS THAT TYRONE POSTED IN THE THREAD
    THANK YOU TYRONE
    -NOT GLITCHY PHYSICS ABUSE
    -INVINCIBILITY ABUSE
    -CAPSLOCK ABUSE

    In can understand people wanting to make 'general challenge' style areas, but the idea is to show off as much fancy modding and scripting as we can. This includes things that may have been done in other mods before but not this one, so don't feel like you can't borrow from the past. You should probably all be familiar with at least a few such ideas.

    VISUAL EXAMPLE

    Submission form
    Things that you don't have to add in right at the start are marked with a *. Explanation text is in black. My reasoning for most of these is explained in the discussion thread, so I don't feel like repeating them.

    Username: Should be obvious.
    Area Name*: Personal touch.
    General Description: This is pretty much to show people what's already been done, so they can try to do something different.
    No. of maps: Up to 4.
    Desired Health: Ranges from 3 to whatever, but be reasonable AND SPECIFIC about it.
    Desired Tileset(s)/Background(s)*: See
    Desired Enemy Set(s)*: General
    Desired Music(s)*: Description

    Upon approval, you will be issued your flags and be allowed to start making submissions. The simplest way to do this will be to upload them as a mod for people to try. Uploading an unfinished version for feedback is okay, but try to only do it once, otherwise the thread will become too cluttered. andwhyisit will be putting the maps together, so after a few are available I'll ask him to put together a beta version. Don't forget the deadline!

    Submission and area lists (also flag numbers)
    Submission list:
    Username: Pigaro
    Area Name: Outer Wall type area
    General Description: Probably a jumping puzzle
    No. of maps: 1-2
    Desired Health: 9-ish
    Desired Tileset(s)/Background(s): Oside / Moon?
    Desired Enemy Set(s): None
    Desired Music(s): Moonsong

    Username: Shimmyzmizz
    Area Name: Yes-No
    General Description: Series of battle rooms using <YNJ
    No. of maps: 3
    Desired Health: Doesn't matter (?)
    Desired Tileset(s): River, Jail
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Maze, Cent
    Desired Music(s): Labyrinth Fight

    Username: CommanderJersey
    Area Name: Grit Zone
    General Description: Machine Gun manipulation
    No. of maps: 3
    Desired Health: 21
    Desired Tileset(s): Sand Zone
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Sand Zone/Omega
    Desired Music(s): Meltdown 2, Eyes of Flame

    Username: Lacexid
    Area Name: Indiana Quote and the Temple of Ill Fate
    General Description: Treasure hunt
    No. of maps: 5
    Desired Health: 10
    Desired Tileset(s): White, Hell, Cent
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Eggs2, Maze, Miza, Cent, Weed
    Desired Music(s): Scorching Back, Run!, Tyrant, Last Cave, Seal Chamber (?)

    Username: 404notfound
    Area Name: Inner Network
    General Description: Core battle w/no weapons + Booster 0.8
    No. of maps: 2
    Desired Health: 40
    Desired Tileset(s): Almond, Pens, Store
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Core
    Desired Music(s): Oppression, Jenka 1

    Username: Hiino
    Area Name: Glitchy area
    General Description: Glitch-based puzzles
    No. of maps: 3
    Desired Health: 30
    Desired Tileset(s): Maze, River
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Weed, Eggs1
    Desired Music(s): Quiet, Run!, Balrog's Theme (?)

    Username: Tpcool
    Area Name: The Fall
    General Description: Falling/dodging area
    No. of maps: 2
    Desired Health: 5
    Desired Tileset(s): Cave
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Red
    Desired Music(s): Last Cave

    Username: S. P. Gardebiter
    Area Name: Tower of Tempest
    General Description: Script-activated enemies + platforming
    No. of maps: 4
    Desired Health: 40+
    Desired Tileset(s)/Background(s): Gard, Jail, Sand / Null, Moon
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Cent, Hell, Ravil, Red, Toro
    Desired Music(s): Gestation, Jenka 2, Labyrinth Fight, Pulse

    Username: MagicDoors
    Area Name: Zangetsu
    General Description: Platforming
    No. of maps: 3
    Desired Health: 20
    Desired Tileset(s)/Background(s): Oside / Fog
    Desired Enemy Set(s)*: Moon, Stream (?)
    Desired Music(s): Safety, Pulse, Moonsong

    Username: DoubleThink
    Area Name: Access
    General Description: Forced movement (wind-type) tiles, Snake use, general everything
    No. of maps: 4
    Desired Health: 17
    Desired Tileset(s)/Background(s): Eggs, River, White / Gard, Green, Maze, Blue
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Eggs1, Eggs2, Cent? / ???
    Desired Music(s): Mischievous Robot, Scorching Back, Geothermal

    Username: Wedge of Cheese
    Area Name: Danger in the Tunnels
    General Description: Moving blocks + Booster 2.0
    No. of maps: 2-3
    Desired Health: 10-ish
    Desired Tileset(s)/Background(s): Mimi, Maze / Fog, Maze
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Maze
    Desired Music(s): Plant, Jenka 2, Seal Chamber, Gravity

    Username: Dunc2403
    Area Name: Void
    Description: Black area navigated with Map System
    No. of maps: 1
    Desired Health: 3
    Desired Tileset(s)/Background(s): Store / bk0
    Desired Enemy Set(s): None
    Desired Music(s): None

    Username: Safusaka
    Area Name: Fognatura Fossa
    General Description: Water and jump puzzles
    No. of maps: 3
    Desired Health: 15
    Desired Tileset/Background: Cent, Maze, Almond / Maze, Green, Water
    Desired Enemy Set: Undecided
    Desired Music: Quiet, Gestation

    Username: HyMyNameIsMatt
    Area Name: Think About It
    General Description: "Puzzle area"
    No. of maps: 1
    Desired Health: 3
    Desired Tileset(s)/Background(s): PrtAlmond and Bk0
    Desired Enemy Set(s): None
    Desired Music(s): Balcony

    Area list (flag numbers go here):
    Current ordering:
    <03> Void [Dunc2403]: Flags 2550 to 2599 {Completed; page 23} ; edits PrtStore

    <03> The Fall [Tpcool]: Flags 1750 to 1849 {Completed; page 26}
    <11> Temple of Etcetera [Noxid + Lace]: Flags 1400 to 1499 {Completed; page 26}; edits PrtWhite
    <17> Access [DoubleThink]: Flags 2200 to 2399 {Completed; page 27}; edits PrtEggs, PrtWhite
    <20> Zangetsu [MagicDoors]: Flags 2050 to 2199 {Completed; page 23}
    <21> Grit Zone [CommanderJersey]: Flags 1250 to 1399 {Completed; page 24} ; edits PrtSand
    <60> Tower of Tempest [S. P. Gardebiter]: Flags 1850 to 2049 {Completed; page 27}

    <30> Buy Me More Jewelery [Hiino]: Flags 1600 to 1749 {Completed; page 27} ; edits PrtMaze

    Note that "Completed" is not the same as "Finalised". "Completed" means that the area is technically finished in its current form but still needs some work.

    Fognatura Fossa [Safusaka]: Flags 2600 to 2749 {Abandoned}
    Think About It [HyMyNameIsMatt]: Flags 2750 to 2799 {Abandoned}
    Danger in the Tunnels [Wedge of Cheese]: Flags 2400 to 2549 {Abandoned; page 19}
    Lunar Ruins [Pigaro]: Flags 1000 to 1099 {Abandoned}
    Inner Network [404notfound]: Flags 1500 to 1599 {Abandoned}
    Yes-No [Shimmyzmizz]: Flags 1100 to 1249 {Abandoned}

    I have almost certainly missed something, but I'd like to keep this thread purely for discussion of mod ideas and content. You can send me VMs for small things or questions you have only of me, while things that haven't been covered yet should go in the discussion thread. All questions regarding how to mod should take place in the already-available threads in the General Discussion subforum, unless you think it's something everyone needs to see. And remember, keeping up with the project is you're responsibility, so I want to see no "oh I didn't read and/or know that" excuses.

    I'll try to get my own part done ASAP, as well as the 'starting room', to hopefully provide some idea of the type of final product for you all to work with in mind. So, ummm, have at it I guess :debug:

    Get the completed mod here: Take 8 v1.2.2
     
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  2. Oct 25, 2011
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    Can we put Bosses into our maps?
    (I don't plan to, just a question)
    If so, will there be a Final Boss?
    If so to that, who will make it?
     
  3. Oct 26, 2011
    Tpcool
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    Aaaaand I'm not really sure about a final boss fight. I assume there will not be, but DoubleThink will make the final verdict.
     
  4. Oct 26, 2011
    Shimmyzmizz
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    Well, here's my submission.

    Username: Shimmyzmizz
    Area Name: Yes-No
    General Description: Basically, a series of rooms (in the allotted maps) based around the <YNJ command. i.e. You answer no, you move on, you answer yes, you fight some enemies.
    No. of maps: 3
    Desired Health: I don't really care, whatever is convenient.
    Desired Tileset(s): River, Jail
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Maze, Cent
    Desired Music(s): Labyrinth Fight
     
  5. Oct 26, 2011
    DoubleThink
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    Submission list updated; expect me to update the OP at least once per day provided that something has happened. I should have time to start work on my part come Friday/the weekend.
     
  6. Oct 26, 2011
    CommanderJersey
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    My submission.
    Username: CommanderJersey
    General Description: You use the machine gun to do different kinds of jump tricks while fighting enemys. It's about conserving bullets.
    No. of maps: 3
    Desired Health: 12-20 is fine
    Desired Tileset(s): Sand Zone
    Desired Enemy Set(s): Sand Zone
    Desired Music(s): Meltdown 2
    Other things: I would like to use Omega.
    Also, can we change the tileset properties?
     
  7. Oct 26, 2011
    Lace
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    I am going to try to do this, but I am real bad at the time managements, and also I have no concentrated weekendtime due to college visits. Anyways. My ideal stage.
    UserNom: Should be obvious.
    AreaNom: Duckland
    GeneralDescript*: Eradicate sea-creatures to allow the domination of the ducks (a delusional tribe of migmas)!!!
    As far as gameplay goes, I was hoping to do a smorgasbord of styles, but probably focusing on puzzle solving.
    Number o' Maps: I could make do with one, but would take more if they were available.
    Desired Hittypoints: Whatever. Probably less is better than more, but I don't know how difficult this'll be compared to the rest.
    Other things to know about?: I would like to use Ironhead. I would also like to award a bubbler.

    *As a side note, General Descript would be an awesome name. As would General Discord
     
  8. Oct 27, 2011
    404notfound
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    Area Name: inner network
    General Description: this is like a core battle but with no weapons. you need to find the right terminals to destroy it
    No. of maps:2
    Desired Health: 20
    Desired boss : core
    Desired flags: I need at max: 30 flags
    Desired Tile set :almond
    Desired Enemy Set: core
    Desired Musics:, oppression and jenka 1
    Other things: it would be awesome if I could use the core map (since the boss is already set there)and the dark place WITH a changed tileset and music(it just makes sense)
    i am very familiar with scripting and mapping

    EDIT: @doublethink even though the official move event in the mod is #500 but how do we specify the coordinates for the >TRA function?
    Code:
    <TRA0056:0500:????:????
    just dosen't make sense
     
  9. Oct 27, 2011
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    AndWhy is going to do that. We don't even know who's doing it, so how could we know which map goes where?
     
  10. Oct 27, 2011
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    OR we could post the cords in our posts
     
  11. Oct 27, 2011
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    Coordinates, but what about the map numbers?
     
  12. Oct 27, 2011
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    Then post that too
     
  13. Oct 27, 2011
    DoubleThink
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    You can change the tilesets and music of existing maps, as long as you use what's already in the game. Will specify that in the OP.

    No uh, event no. #500 is the event number used for the <TRA function to the next person's area, which they can provide to the previous person (or I guess just let andy do it). E.g. everyone's section will end with some variation of
    #0500
    <TRA????:????:????:????
    I guess I could designate a universal starting event as well but the person still have to provide their coordinates so eh.

    Also fuck me I forgot to give people their flag numbers D: Updating OP again now.

    Also also I would really like specific health numbers. The idea is that you are designing your areas around a certain difficullty. If you want to wait until you've done some more work to figure out the exact number, that's fine, but when you upload your mods for playtesting they should come with the amount of health you want people to use in them.
     
  14. Oct 27, 2011
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    Just do something like:

    #0500
    <END

    ..or some other form of dummy TSC. We will replace the dummy TSC with the connecting <TRA. It doesn't matter what you put in there as long as the event is present and that something triggers it.
     
  15. Oct 27, 2011
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    how did my tile set change to sand zone?
     
  16. Oct 27, 2011
    DoubleThink
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    I undercooked my copypasta :momo:
     
  17. Oct 27, 2011
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    Username: Hiino
    Area Name*: Glitchy area, no name yet
    General Description: Messed up maps that need the use of glitches (obviously) to be achieved. Mostly puzzles and labyrinths.
    No. of maps: Let's say 3. I might lower it to 2, though.
    Desired Health: around 30 HP.
    Desired Tileset(s)*: Maze, River
    Desired Enemy Set(s)*: Weed, Eggs1
    Desired Music(s)*: Quiet, Run!, Huzzah!
     
  18. Oct 27, 2011
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    Username: Tpcool!
    Area Name*: The Fall
    General Description: You start falling and you have to not die. Whenever you reach a hazard you get a second to think before you try to avoid it.
    No. of maps: 2
    Desired Health: Doesn't matter.
    Desired Tileset(s)*: Cave
    Desired Enemy Set(s)*: Red
    Desired Music(s)*: Last Cave

    Tell me if I did anything wrong.
     
  19. Oct 27, 2011
    Lace
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    Re: Community Project Dev Thread

    Doesn't this violate
    Also in order to beat that level one would need to have a pretty comprehensive understanding of the glitches in cave story, something not all people will have.


    On a completely unrelated note, will we be able to use Gamimimi (wind fortress) as our background org? If so, I have all the dibs on it.
     
  20. Oct 27, 2011
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    so we jut put #500 where we depart our area or enter