The ZarroTsu Argument

ZT takes it too far sometimes, making him come off as an ass.

It also makes everyone else come off as lowering themselves in retaliation, thus having them meet my standards. You can weed out who's lowest on the food chain merely by their reaction to my posts.

GIRakaCHEEZER is at the top of the chain, so far.


In any case, my insulting statements are simply because everyone on the forum seems to come off as a disrespectful idiot in a general sense of the situation. Under the current activity on the forum, I can safely say I don't want to touch 90% of the forum with a 30ft pole in a real-life situation, based on how they've acted; however, I'm very well free to make fun of anyone I please, if they can do nothing but give me ample opportunity. It isn't so much my making fun-of as it is the retaliation that makes it funny.


And to those who like pretty pictures, here's the basic summary of above:

 

^This.
The forums have degraded so far that nothing said has any real meaning anymore. If anybody is insulted by anything it is purely because they choose to be, since on a different day somebody else can say the exact same thing in a slightly different way and nobody will give a crap. The fact that it's the intelligent and reasoned arguments that get picked on rather than the mindless "fuck you" statements doesn't really help either. Don't like it? Then you're too late to the party. Come back a year ago, when it might have actually mattered.

Also, considering that ZT has been around longer than any of you and has sat through years of shit-mongering he has every right to think the way he does, so please don't act like you can tell him what it is that he's doing.

 

It also makes everyone else come off as lowering themselves in retaliation, thus having them meet my standards. You can weed out who's lowest on the food chain merely by their reaction to my posts.

GIRakaCHEEZER is at the top of the chain, so far.

If you think anyone is in any way 'competing for your favor' then you are delusional.

In any case, my insulting statements are simply because everyone on the forum seems to come off as a disrespectful idiot in a general sense of the situation. Under the current activity on the forum, I can safely say I don't want to touch 90% of the forum with a 30ft pole in a real-life situation, based on how they've acted; however, I'm very well free to make fun of anyone I please, if they can do nothing but give me ample opportunity. It isn't so much my making fun-of as it is the retaliation that makes it funny.

* I. Personal attacks are strictly prohibited, as we do not stand for the insulting of other members. This includes the use derogative terms and is something that will not be tolerated. Take any personal arguments off the board.

The very first rule on the board. No you are not free to make fun of anyone you please, regardless of how much opportunity they give you. Also, I think its funny that you call everyone on the forum a disrespectful idiot when you are the most disrespectful of everyone.

^This.
The forums have degraded so far that nothing said has any real meaning anymore. If anybody is insulted by anything it is purely because they choose to be, since on a different day somebody else can say the exact same thing in a slightly different way and nobody will give a crap. The fact that it's the intelligent and reasoned arguments that get picked on rather than the mindless "fuck you" statements doesn't really help either. Don't like it? Then you're too late to the party. Come back a year ago, when it might have actually mattered.

I fail to see how "Then you've clearly too low an intellect for the heightened awareness." can be interpreted as anything but insulting. I'm all for intelligence and reason, but most of ZT's comments are completely uncalled for. If you don't like the discussion, then don't read it, but obviously some people are enjoying this thread, so why ruin it for everyone else?

Also, considering that ZT has been around longer than any of you and has sat through years of shit-mongering he has every right to think the way he does, so please don't act like you can tell him what it is that he's doing.

Oh so seniority is the only thing that matters around here? Whoever has been here the longest gets to treat the newbies like crap? It doesn't matter how much positive contribution you make to the community or how well liked you are? The way I see it, someone needs to tell him how much of an ass he is, and how he is quite probably scaring people away from joining, the very people who would improve the quality of this forum.

 

It isn't so much my making fun-of as it is the retaliation that makes it funny.

And you may recall that Kage used to have the very same attitude until it nearly got him banned.

 

Guys, guys, it's the internet! Come on, people, is this what society has been lowered down to? An argument over an insult OVER THE INTERNET?
Ok, look, guys, here's the darndest thing, and you're just gonna have to believe me on this, but...

It doesn't matter, and never will. Never once has an argument over the internet made a difference, and nothing important has ever been said in an email. Go outside and punch a random guy across the face if you really want a meaningless argument. Then again, you're too busy acting 'internet tough guy' to be able to do something like that, aren't you? C'mon, guys, what the fuck are you doing?

Well, until we find a way to incorperate the human brain into a computer interface.

 

Whoa, this turned into something big while I was gone...

Well I've read over Dooey's post and I can say that I agree with every word of it.

Also Jacob, I can see your point as to that an argument on the internet is normally one with no real point, but the fact of the matter is that we have rules on these forums. And if people don't follow these rules, then they have to be told so so that they can correct them, or eventually be banned if things got that far. If we don't have rules, we'll just have chaos and bumps and spam and god-know-what-else.

Also I don't know what to make of your "internet tough guy" statement, since it's not clear who it's directed at. And please don't label this argument as "meaningless".

 

Whoa, this turned into something big while I was gone...

Well I've read over Dooey's post and I can say that I agree with every word of it.

Also Jacob, I can see your point as to that an argument on the internet is normally one with no real point, but the fact of the matter is that we have rules on these forums. And if people don't follow these rules, then they have to be told so so that they can correct them, or eventually be banned if things got that far. If we don't have rules, we'll just have chaos and bumps and spam and god-know-what-else.

Also I don't know what to make of your "internet tough guy" statement, since it's not clear who it's directed at. And please don't label this argument as "meaningless".

Labeling an argument 'useless' is as good as winning it.
A fight put off forever is already won.

 

And if people don't follow these rules, then they have to be told so so that they can correct them, or eventually be banned if things got that far.

They have been told. The banhammer should come next, since this thread will not revert back to a discussion about Quote until at least 2 people treat it as such. I don't feel the need to contribute to the Quote discussion, since we've already finished it. Instead, I think I'll see how far we can take this flamewar.
ZarroTsu, stop trolling. This forum would like to get on with its discussions about cave Story, not how low everyone has sunk by merely interacting with you.
I feel the shame, yes.

 

Oh so seniority is the only thing that matters around here? Whoever has been here the longest gets to treat the newbies like crap? It doesn't matter how much positive contribution you make to the community or how well liked you are?

I never even said that, but considering the fact that you are acting like what ZT is doing is even remotely out of the ordinary I really have to question your level of knowledge of this "community".

The way I see it, someone needs to tell him how much of an ass he is, and how he is quite probably scaring people away from joining, the very people who would improve the quality of this forum.

TOO. LATE.

Guys, guys, it's the internet! Come on, people, is this what society has been lowered down to? An argument over an insult OVER THE INTERNET?
Ok, look, guys, here's the darndest thing, and you're just gonna have to believe me on this, but...

It doesn't matter, and never will. Never once has an argument over the internet made a difference, and nothing important has ever been said in an email. Go outside and punch a random guy across the face if you really want a meaningless argument. Then again, you're too busy acting 'internet tough guy' to be able to do something like that, aren't you? C'mon, guys, what the fuck are you doing?

Stop quoting random crap you've heard people say. An argument on the internet is as valid as an argument in any other type of medium, and saying otherwise only makes you look like a woose who can't stand up for themselves. If you don't want to get involved then you don't have to, that is the far more sensible thing to do.

They have been told. The banhammer should come next, since this thread will not revert back to a discussion about Quote until at least 2 people treat it as such. I don't feel the need to contribute to the Quote discussion, since we've already finished it. Instead, I think I'll see how far we can take this flamewar.
ZarroTsu, stop trolling. This forum would like to get on with its discussions about cave Story, not how low everyone has sunk by merely interacting with you.
I feel the shame, yes.

WELL SPEAKING OF INTERNET TOUGH GUYS...
You literally just said we should continue with this flame war and then immediately followed it up by saying stop trolling, you SHOULD feel the shame.


Seriously if you guys had actually read what ZT had said instead of piling on the indignation you would have seen that the reason he is acting like a dick is because he is sick of EVERYONE ELSE acting like a dick. If that is not an indication that there are bigger problems to be dealt with then maybe you should try looking outside your comfort zone for a change.

 

I never even said that, but considering the fact that you are acting like what ZT is doing is even remotely out of the ordinary I really have to question your level of knowledge of this "community".

The fact that what he is doing is not out of the ordinary just tells me that no one has had the guts to call him on his bullshit before (the internet tough guy thing must be working).

Seriously if you guys had actually read what ZT had said instead of piling on the indignation you would have seen that the reason he is acting like a dick is because he is sick of EVERYONE ELSE acting like a dick. If that is not an indication that there are bigger problems to be dealt with then maybe you should try looking outside your comfort zone for a change.

I am repulsed that you actually think this is a legitimate excuse. Obviously there are problems to be dealt with. SO WHY NOT DEAL WITH THEM? Acting like a dick is not going to stop everyone else acting like a dick.

 

To DT: If you didn't have the attitude problem and were more active then I would have recommended you for a moderator role ages ago. If you have a problem with an aspect of the forums then PM me, email me, or even use the friggin' report post button. But doing nothing to help fix things and then endlessly arguing about the state of the forums is not acceptable.

 

And for as long as YOU continue to persist with the thought that I even HAVE an attitude problem there is no bloody point in me trying to get anything done. Becoming annoyed and voicing that annoyance once every two months or so doesn't mean squat. As for trying to "fix things", I am utterly done yelling into an empty bucket. My remaining faith is only enough to keep me here and keep me active. Speaking of which, I am on here basically every day and have recently capped 500 posts, thus I have no idea what you mean by "more active". So thank you, once again, for not making a lick of sense. I have far more confidence in "doing nothing".

 

Can't we listen to what Skye-sama says?

 

And for as long as YOU continue to persist with the thought that I even HAVE an attitude problem there is no bloody point in me trying to get anything done. Becoming annoyed and voicing that annoyance once every two months or so doesn't mean squat. As for trying to "fix things", I am utterly done yelling into an empty bucket. My remaining faith is only enough to keep me here and keep me active. Speaking of which, I am on here basically every day and have recently capped 500 posts, thus I have no idea what you mean by "more active". So thank you, once again, for not making a lick of sense. I have far more confidence in "doing nothing".

I meant that if you think there is a specific problem, then tell me! I cannot be everywhere at once like everyone bloody expects me to. Having someone be my eyes and ears would be better than yelling considering that I am actually in the position to do something about it.

p.s. I just checked, apparently you frequent the Mods section alot, which explains how I managed to overlook most of your posts (hey, that rhymed) since I don't frequent that section very often.

 

This is the worst argument I've ever seen here... I suggest (before anyone complains, suggest is the key word here) a thread lock.

 

Well at least move it to the sattellite lounge/rename it, because it has totally derailed obviously. I do, however, think this is an argument worth having, in order to figure what the problem with these forums is, or if there even is a problem, which I personally don't think there is. I mean, sure there's a certain level of spam/stupidity, but it hasn't gotten to the point where it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation. Until that happens, we should just lighten up and have a sense of humor.

 

An argument over any medium is meaningless, unless that medium is the air acting as a medium for sound waves.
An argument through newspapers is meaningless, an argument through TV channels is meaningless, etc. etc.

[EDIT] Heh. Mini-argument between Australians. Trippy.

The point of an argument is to convince people that you are right. If it can do that, what does it matter what medium it is over?

Also this thread should probably just be named "The argue with people about stuff" thread because ZT hasn't posted in it in awhile.

 

Also this thread should probably just be named "The argue with people about stuff" thread because ZT hasn't posted in it in awhile.

Actually, I hadn't started the thread, so it's only natural I be unknowing of it, let alone unable to find it with ease, or ever respond.


A large portion of the forums at the moment consists of a simple formula of idiocy in my opinion. For every one person that leaves the forum for good, two new people join; both these people being an equivalent to the old person -- that is to say, that if they were both one person they'd be an equivalent to the old; as they are, they are only two halves. And to this, one of them heads to the mod/hacking section, while the other heads to general discussion.

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Within the general discussion half, at least one thread is posted, and the very starting means to the thread is either:

a) Poorly written and botched all to hell post, to the point where you have no idea what they are saying

b) A question that a simple play through of the very game itself could easily answer, such as "What color is quote's hat?" or "What is Hell called really?"

c) A blatant insult to the game and forums in place of the first post of a topic that COULD BE a very good discussion, but the very topic starter is too big an idiot to even apply the effort to ask the question.

Now, regardless of topic, only the first 20 or so posts here have anything to do with application, to which the question is answered either as a whole, or in the 10th to 16th post. The last 4 posts still apply other thoughts, but they usually begin to deter off-topic with blatant idiocy that possibility C may even begin.

From here, the remaining 10 pages after is nothing but a conversation about mimiga porn.

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Now, on the hacking half, all I've ever seen lately is questions that have been asked several times already, and these are asked at least once every month. The search button is clearly visible, and the questions asked, such as "What's a hex editor", are the very foundation of hacking, to which EVERYONE should know. I don't see how someone can make a topic on an already active forum and expect their question to be brand new, when it's something as simple as "2 + 2".

And again, even if they progress past THIS part of things, any mod that may be released afterward is one of the following:

a) Hell mod

b) Hell mod

c) Hell mod

d) Boss mod

e) eye-rape

f) Hell mod

g) A general system test, to publicly see-and-show what the game can do, as to better ones own knowledge of what people enjoy

h) Hell mod

i) An attempt at a mod in which the maps look pathetic, and there is no conveyance of original story telling

j) Conjunct with (i), a mod whose main character is just a sprite rip or color change of an already existing sprite in the game, usually without having at all even changed the 'drown' sprite, further showing that the author themself didn't give a shit

k) Hell mod

l) Curly Brace mod

m) corridor/time attacked adventure rush

n) Hell mod



Under the scenario of option (g), the very reason they convey a system-test mod is for the public to critique it openly, and help with change by explaining what's wrong. However, the repliers of the topic instead tell them that the mod is the best thing they've ever seen in their life, and as such the mod creator does not improve, eventually giving up and dying.

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As far as the future brings from the above (And very true; you've got to be the idiot I pin you all for to miss it) systematic of information, this forum is fucking horrid. Every single topic I see goes off topic, but I do not see the off-topic until I've replied to the question of the very topic: and upon HAVING replied, I'm criticized by all of YOU people because you can't handle someone OLDER and WISER than you degrading you all, and putting you in your places.

You know the title of the topic? That is the very means for the topic's existence. Not mimiga porn, and not a debate on me, or why I'm such a supposed asshole to all you pathetic shits. The topic's title is the very means it was created, and the very means it need live by, just as the means of a forum was created: An organized database in which people may share their thoughts on the forum's means of creation. This forum isn't about me, it is about cave story. The game. If you want any nonsensical chats about other things, use The chat-room specifically created for such activities. I'm suck and fucking tired of seeing casual conversation in forums posts, as if you all think a forum is meant to be used as an instant messenger. IT ISN'T.


It isn't my fault that the forum has turned to shit, it's all of your faults. You, the current users of the forum, are those to which new members see as role models. If you all act like dipshits with little-to-no IQ, then every new person will think it right to act the same. Just as all of you refuse change, my opinions on the forum's current state refuses to change. If you wish to prove me wrong, then begin acting to reflect how smart you are, rather than how smart you aren't.

Idiots.

 

It seems to me from the first half of your post that you expect every mod to be amazing before it gets its own topic. This may be your opinion, but I have to disagree. The point of a forum is for discussion. If you want your mod to be discussed, then post it! This forum is fairly slow moving, the good mods won't be completely ignored because of the bad ones, and the good ones get discussed well after a demo release, so they stay at the top for quite awhile anyway.

I agree that constructive criticism is better than mindlessly saying its great, but mindlessly saying its great still beats mindlessly saying its awful. If people continue to make mods, they will get better, regardless of weather or not people actively give them suggestions. If they get degrading comments they will quit much more often than if they get good (but unsubstantial) comments.


Also, people learn. How often do you see someone ask for something, get told to use the search button, then ask another simple question? Not that much. And while I admit that this forum is not the pinnacle of internet etiquette, its certainly not "fucking horrid." For that, you need look no farther than 4chan. This forum is a place to have fun and talk about stuff, and I don't see why you expect every topic to be strictly adherent to the thread title. Lets face it, you can only talk so much about why quote is mute or how spikes work before you have exhausted all possibilities of conversation. So why just let the thread die when people are still enjoying it? If there is something to be said on the original topic, a lot of the time the discussion will go back to the original topic. When you are actually talking to someone, if the conversation drifts you aren't going to say "NO. We were talking about THIS and we will finishing talking about this, god dammit."

 

Why, ZT, if this forum is as bad as you say it is, do you continue to be active in it?? Seems a bit illogical, no?

As for mods, you're just flat out wrong. There are tons of quality mods out there like Schism, Jenka's Nightmare, WTF Story, The Dark Platform, The Wrath of Revorshkenahl, and I could keep going on.