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[MagicDoors]

Leave rape9 alone. Before you judge I suggest you fix the large errors in your own mod. Also don't troll, it looks bad on your macho image.

EDIT: 1375 posts. Yay new pic thing/Sonofabitch I have to change my sig

Edited by MagicDoors, 15 February 2012 - 02:37 AM.

[hate9]

The new version is taking too long...

[HaydenStudios]

Just played the new version. This mod still really needs some work. Most of the glitches from version 0.0.0.6 are still here. Still, nothing happens when you talk to Toroko in the shack. And the door still doesn't open, just you go to the next room. If I exit the first cave, then I still end up in the Yamashita farm with no fading in. I see that place up to the right in the mimiga village is now accassible, but if I go too far, then I will be trapped, and have to reset the game to get out. Also, I think that in the graveyard you should set a flag so that if it's not your first time taking Arthur's key, then it goes straight to "You should probably leave that for Quote." so that you won't go through the "Found Arthur's key!" every subsequent time you go up to it. I'm glad that you filled in the ditch at the beginning of the Sand Zone though. If I get the polar star from Hermit Gunsmith, then the cutscene takes place with Kazuma on the computer. The dialog with Jenka is identical to before, and you collect her puppies like normal too. So if that was on purpose, then that was lazy game design. At least the aquisition of the machine gun works now. Also, the dialog with the Colons is very weak.

Here is a suggestion of mine: Test this mod, and fix any glitches you find before you upload it here.

That way, we can much better critique your work. Also, the first post says that version 0.0.0.7 is the latest, but the folder is named 0.0.0.8.

(200th post)

Edited by HaydenStudios, 21 February 2012 - 11:21 PM.

[hate9]

I'm trying to make this a mod that starts after the core fight, with quote not saving curly, and curly escaping through a hole to the outer wall, but everything just does the got weapon script, i promise that this version (0.0.1.0) will be better.
can you help me with weapon and boss editing?

Edited by hate9, 22 February 2012 - 08:35 PM.

[HaydenStudios]

The very first thing you should know about modding is that nobody is going to make your mod for you. Second, this mod really doesn't interest me that much. The only reason that I'm consistenly providing feedback on this mod is that since there's so little work put into it that it is very short, I don't have to free up a lot of time in order to play it and give it feedback. For the last thing, weapon and boss editing requires assembly hacking. I currently do not know very much assembly at all, even if I were to put the time into helping you beyond pointing out glitches and making suggestions. There is a beginner's guide to assembly, but I highly recommend that you get a firmer grasp on modding without assembly first. If you've watched these two videos:

Spoiler

And read this tutorial, then I probably don't know much more about Cave Story modding than you do.

[hate9]

Fixed!

[HaydenStudios]

Fixed!

Rrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhht...

Anyway, you've made enough changes to this mod for a re evaluation

Spoiler

Storyline: 6/10 Fair. You did a fair job of making it apparent for anyone who plays Cave Story what it continues off of. Three points taken off for your poor execution of it, and one point taken off because the cutscene in Cave Story with the island falling shows Curly still dead, so this contradicts Cave Story.

Dialog: 4/10 Bad. "Ohhhh, shiny!" doesn't seem much like Curly.

Gameplay: 3/10 Poor. The falling blocks at the beginning were not good, and only starting me out with one HP, then tossing me to the outer wall where I'll die if I only get hit by one thing?

Custom Music: 3/10 Poor. You only used one instrument track in that whole title screen music. Minimal effort was put into it.

Glitches:
1) At the title screen, I hear a constant text sound. You must've called the wrong event.
2) At the title screen, it waits for me to press fire or jump before going to the main menu.
3) The left edge of the map for the title screen is clearly visible.
4) Blocks begin falling immediately as I start. Why is this bad? Because you can get killed by a falling block before you get the chance to move. This has happened to me several times.
5) The falling blocks' sprites need to be repositioned so that it looks natural.
6) If I die in the core, it fades out keeping the die music going, fades into my start position, back out, THEN back in.
7) When the outer wll loads, I hear the text sound.
8) When I get the sparkler, it fades out then back in.
9) When I go to the storehouse, the room never shows my character, EDIT: Ah, snuck v 0.0.1.2 in while I wasn't looking. The "Uwah!" from Itoh plays when I enter the storehouse. Nothing happens when I go up to either of the doors. It would be good for you to at least have a "You'er stuck." message for them. and I'm stuck.

Improvements:
1) Fix all of the glitches mentioned above.
2) Reposition bits of prtalmond.bmp so that the falling blocks will look right, if you choose to keep them.
3) Use the <PRI command at the beginning of your script for the hor/vert trigger to get from the core to the outer wall.
4) Improve the level design of the tunnel leading from the interior of the outer wall to the outer wall. All you did was erase the solid tiles to make a path for you, which is lazy level design.
5) I suppose that basically the demo has ended once you get to the outer wall? It would be good to make some ingame indication that it's the end of the demo, like make it fade out and display a, "That's as far as it goes for now!" message when you open a certain door. EDIT: Snuck version 0.0.1.2 in when I wasn't looking. Good, glad you added such a room.
6) That empty tile in the storehouse is not too well-executed. When I jump in, I have to the ngo to the side to enter the next room.

Overall Score: 2/10 Pathetic. While no modder would like getting this score, you've come a long way considering what this mod used to be. You've managed now to make this mod do what you want it to do, to an extent. The real issue with all of your releases is that it really looks like it hasn't been tested. I can't stress enough how important it is to test your mod, and make sure you don't encounter any major glitches. I also fail to understand why you start the player out with 1 HP. Now know this: even though your score only improved by one point, it actually improved by two points because my system gave this mod a zero originally, but since there's no zero, and I had to round it to one it looked like you had scored one before. So actually, your score has improved by two points.

Edited by HaydenStudios, 24 February 2012 - 01:39 AM.

[DoubleThink]

I'm going to outline the part that confuses me less subtly this time

Storyline: 6/10 Fair.
Dialog: 4/10 Bad.
Gameplay: 3/10 Poor.
Custom Music: 3/10 Poor.

Overall Score: 2/10 Pathetic.

Edited by DoubleThink, 24 February 2012 - 01:11 PM.

[Dunc2403]

He's not avereging it, he's rating the mod as a whole.

[Noxid]

Because somehow this mod adds up to be less than the sum of its parts I guess?