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[MagicDoors]

Actually, it is a hack. Even unwillingly, the bubbler is hacked. Therefore, this mod is a hack.

[GIRakaCHEEZER]

Explain to me, in detail, how the bubbler has been hacked.

Also, please do fix my name on your site D:

[MagicDoors]

Try and find it, and you'll see

Also, I've ditched the site. Maybe later.

[GIRakaCHEEZER]

Changing the values for damage and "number of times hit" for a bullet in CE does not make it a hack. A hack would go further than just using a modding tool, and would change some of the compiled code.

I will have to ask you, yet again, to please refer to your mod using the proper terms.

[VoidMage_Lowell]

What is this 'proper term'? Why so defensive about it?

For the actual defintions of Hack and Modification {I'll assume Modication, since the actual word Mod would have nothing to do with any of this}, as off of Merriam-Webster, Modification would indeed work best for every single mod on this forum, no exceptions. They're all modifications, changes, of the original Cave Story, so no matter how much you change the code, through simple Cave Editor or Assembly, it's still a Modification.
It also doesn't matter what definition of Hack you pick. The closet any of the 'mods' get to being a hack is 'to write computer programs for enjoyment', which would also apply to every single 'mod' out there. Otherwise, it'd suit things like Cave Editor far better than anything else, as it could also mean 'an implement for hacking'. Also, 'a usually creative solution to a computer hardware or programming problem or limitation' could also apply to anything from Assembly to a TSC work-around.

So why so serious? I don't see these so called 'proper terms', or even a reason to be so nitpicky over them...

[GIRakaCHEEZER]

What is this 'proper term'? Why so defensive about it?

For the actual defintions of Hack and Modification {I'll assume Modication, since the actual word Mod would have nothing to do with any of this}, as off of Merriam-Webster, Modification would indeed work best for every single mod on this forum, no exceptions. They're all modifications, changes, of the original Cave Story, so no matter how much you change the code, through simple Cave Editor or Assembly, it's still a Modification.
It also doesn't matter what definition of Hack you pick. The closet any of the 'mods' get to being a hack is 'to write computer programs for enjoyment', which would also apply to every single 'mod' out there. Otherwise, it'd suit things like Cave Editor far better than anything else, as it could also mean 'an implement for hacking'. Also, 'a usually creative solution to a computer hardware or programming problem or limitation' could also apply to anything from Assembly to a TSC work-around.

So why so serious? I don't see these so called 'proper terms', or even a reason to be so nitpicky over them...

I prefer to call mine a mod too, even though some may refer to it as a hack.

And I don't know, it just feels like that if you haven't made any hacks in it, you don't deserve to use the term.

[Noxid]

In a community of 'hacking and modding', I think it is reasonable to assume that we can/have developed a localized definition of the words, in a sense incorporated them into our own jargon if you will. It's not like this is a new argument.

[MagicDoors]

You don't have to yell, GIR.
And it IS a hack. I didn't change the values with bullet npc. I actually changed the bolt damage with XVII.

[VoidMage_Lowell]

And I don't know, it just feels like that if you haven't made any hacks in it, you don't deserve to use the term.

But what is a 'hack', is my point.
I realize what you're trying to say, Assembly is what you consider a Hack, and anyone trying to say they've made a Hack and hasn't put in the effort for Assembly is what offends you, but this is so much of a more nickname basis that you'd confuse a lot of people like this.

You don't have to yell, GIR.

That's not yelling, that's a typical Lowell-based rant.

In a community of 'hacking and modding', I think it is reasonable to assume that we can/have developed a localized definition of the words, in a sense incorporated them into our own jargon if you will. It's not like this is a new argument.

I note that too, but I also doubt every single one of us is thinking the exact same thing for the words, hence the pop-up of these arguments.

[Noxid]

I note that too, but I also doubt every single one of us is thinking the exact same thing for the words, hence the pop-up of these arguments.

Well see that is why we try to correct people when they use them wrong, to eliminate the confusion and have more clearly defined terminology.