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[Cyowolf1122]

Due to recent events here, and noticing that some people on here like to openly discuss mod ideas, I would like to make a suggestion for a new section within the Cave Story forums. My suggestion is to include a Mod Development Section.

Now, the purpose of such a section would in essence be to garner ideas for a good mod before creating said mod. I have seen a few threads in such a manner, but they were all closed due to not having any screen shots.

This would not defeat the purpose of the Mod Showcase, rather, it would give members a chance to share their ideas, but not the story. ;D

The intent of this section would be to help others improve the quality of their mods by gaining ideas from various members. We have quite a few fairly knowledgeable members in this community that could help in this aspect.

In addition, this would also help the newer members that wish to create CS mods.

Some ideas for rules in said section:
-ideas for mods are to be discussed only
-very little to no story would be given, otherwise that would ruin the mod
-no spam




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To explain my reason for this, I have witnessed a few things going on here, one of which resulted in ban.

By implementing this section, it would give people a better chance to gain a foothold in the modding community here, and hopefully improve the quality of mods here.

Mind you, the only reason I made this thread is to act as a possible way to help people and avoid future arguments.

Personally, I dunno why you guys don't already have one of these.

And no, this isn't a mod/hacking sections. This is for game-play ideas within a mod, not how to fix errors within a mod or how to implement a hack or hex edit something.


Okay, I'm done rambling. Feel free to discuss this idea/shoot me for being an idiot if this exists already and I, as well as everyone else, haven't found it.

[VoidMage_Lowell]

I rather like the idea, too.
Out of all the newb mod threads that have been locked for being development-only in a showcase forum, I don't think I've seen any get revived...
It really does seem like it would improve the modding community.
As Cyo sorta mentioned, and as have been seen before, there seems to be quiet a few number of people who want to run their mouths off about ideas first, before doing anything...
Given a chance to talk, they might actually get something done, instead of being scared off...
It'd be nice to see more active modders around here, if this could be done...

[Lace]

AAAAAAAH MIND MERGE I HAD THIS EXACT IDEA THIS MORNING!
Actually, I postulated it would be called "Mod Ideas and Development" but since you left that open ended I guess we'll deal. It would obviously contain the ideas topic of doom and some such, and I'm really sorta sick of people locking idea threads (which I, personally, find most interesting).


So yeah, thirded.

[Noxid]

This seems entirely reasonable to me. Currently, the only acceptable place for posts or ideas as such would be the "random ideas of doom" sticky, which in my eyes is an unattractive place for someone to share ideas from. If it goes in there, it feels more like placing your idea on the block, and then maybe someone looks at it, comments, and eventually it gets shoved to the side. If you've got your own thread, that's something you can feel a little bit of ownership in and with ownership comes obligation (At least, for most people...)

Anybody remember MY craptastic first demo? I made it, rushed as it was, quite specifically because I'd read the "Before posting a mod" sticky and I didn't want my head to get bitten off in my first post, since obviously that would have been so discouraging I'd probably have said "screw you guys" and gave up on it. But, once I had a little bit, I could have my thread, and people could discuss, share criticisms, and the like, which really helped me I think.

Another good thing is that if someone who maybe would like to try a bit of modding but is put off by the commitment or doesn't have all the skills at once (there's a lot of different stuff you've got to be at least halfways decent at...), they can see someone else's idea and say "Hey, that sounds like something I'd like to be a part of!", and they can help out, and more things get done.

In conclusion, I think this is a fine idea and I support it.

[S. P. Gardebiter]

If you have only an idea, you should post it here: http://www.cavestory...hread.php?t=609

End of discussion.


The reason why "idea" threads, are forbidden, is simple:

1. I fear that it's going to be out of control and everyone posts like crazy.
2. 99% of the time, the idea is not going to be developed into a mod by the person. (Why should someone with skills, post an idea rather than an artwork or a demo?)
3. Everyone who has atleast done some work (screenshot, artwork, demo), is able to have a mod development thread. Just some plain text isn't enough. (Maybe if it was atleast 30 pages long and has a good quality)
4. I don't like to have tons of threads, about mods who will never be done. A mod can have his own thread, but if an idea will have an own thread, chaos will be born. Plus like I said before: I'm asking only for a fucking single image. It really can't be that hard.
5. It's not my fault if you guys ignore the "Random Idea Topic of Doom"

[Cyowolf1122]

1. The idea is to get people to share ideas. Not that hard. Why would it get out of hand? In that style of thinking, the same thing could happen in essence to every section in Mirai Gamers.

2. How do you know that would happen? So somethings never get made. Oh wait, we only have 2 or so completed mods and everything else died off in the mod/hack showcase section.

3. This is for people who like to SHARE. And it would give NEW MEMBERS a chance to famailiarize themselves with other members, otherwise they'd feel as if they'd need to be some expect at this in order to join.

4. Not the point. This is purely for ideas. And eventual mod creation. In essence one would propose some ideas, get some feedback, work on the mod, talk with members, and eventually have something good enough to put in the mod showcase. Of which I found rather silly, sense the name appears to mean that one must have something finished in order to post their mod their. This is the idea stage of development. At that point you have nothing beyond an idea. No screenshots, nothing, just an idea.

5. That is because it, well, sucks. You post your idea, and along comes somebody else who has another idea and your's gets pushed away and forgotten. Kills your mood right there, making ya feel ignored by the community because apparently your idea wasn't good enough. Real good way to encourage people.

It's really not that bad of an idea. You are just being far too narrow minded with it all. Be a bit more open to change.

[Fire1052]

So... The idea is "MAKING MOD: WHAT DO?"











Sounds like fun.

[S. P. Gardebiter]

Nope, there will not be such a section. A community project is something different, but this all sounds like: "I have an idea and it will be my mod, but you people can do the work". Otherwise tell me: What is so hard about making some concept art or a single screenshot? These rules aren't really that strict.

Imagine what will happen: Everyone who has a mod that is not finished or a demo will have such a "development thread". Since only 2 mods are finished, we end up with everyone posting a development thread instead of posting in the mod section, ending up with a shitload of threads. It still doesn't fix the problem. The mod threads are technicially "development" threads. We don't need to have a thread for every single mod idea, there is a thread for that and there aren't too many post in this thead.

That is because it, well, sucks. You post your idea, and along comes somebody else who has another idea and your's gets pushed away and forgotten. Kills your mood right there, making ya feel ignored by the community because apparently your idea wasn't good enough. Real good way to encourage people.

It's not my fault the community acts like that. It's the fault of the community. If you like to share ideas you can post in the thread that is there for ideas.

It's really not that bad of an idea. You are just being far too narrow minded with it all. Be a bit more open to change.

Offense taken

[Cyowolf1122]

SP, we already have a "shitload of threads" that are either one and done, never make off the ground, or attempted an idea thread, which was shot and killed before any headway was made.

So perhaps it should be called much like what Lace suggested, "Mod Ideas and Development" or simply "Mod Ideas" (Or something better sounding than that but along the same lines as Mod Ideas.)

This is not intended as a "fix", rather, it is to act as a source of encouragement for our new members. Yes, a lot of threads will be made. What else would happen? Would you rather have it die off? This section is to encourage creativity in people.

The mod threads are technicially "development" threads.

Apologies, let me explain my intent here for it seem to be missed.

It is for ideas not development.

Think about it. What does a game designer do before making a game? he comes up with an idea. Long before you create a game, you must first have an idea of what is going to go on in it.

The thread will be a place to post possible ideas for gameplay in a mod. Not development. The main focus is to be primarily focused on ideas.

That is the premise of my suggestion. It appears that I had chosen my words badly at first. My apologies. I hope this better explains what I meant.

[S. P. Gardebiter]

You don't need threads for single ideas, you still have the topic there.
Maybe if it gets 30 creative posts per day, we could talk about such a section.
I don't like to repeat myself all the time.