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[andwhyisit]

It's not my fault the community acts like that. It's the fault of the community. If you like to share ideas you can post in the thread that is there for ideas.

You're not really getting it though. By putting a topic into a collective thread it is going to be buried, that is entirely unavoidable. This leaves the RITOD thread being only viable for quick Q&A posts or to quickly show off ideas. I understand your reasoning that an ideas section might end up full of n00bs that think it is a good excuse to give someone else the work, or that it will be spammed to hell, but the RITOD thread is not the perfect solution you seem to think it is.

I believe the Ideas forum shouldn't be about others coming up with ideas for you but about submitting your own basic ideas and allowing others to build upon these ideas.

Just build a set of rules about what belongs in the RITOD thread and what belongs in the Ideas forum and enforce them. At least trial it, because if it turns out to be a failure you can just merge everything back into the RITOD thread and the forums can continue like nothing happened.

Oh and it might be good to move the RITOD thread into the Ideas forum (if you decide to make it of course) as a sticky.

[Fire1052]

This section isn't about "I have an idea, somebody do it." It's something more like "I'm doing it, somebody give me an idea."

[Schokobecher]

So?

"I'm doing it, somebody give me an idea."

That's not how the world works...
Get your own ideas.

[Lace]

No fire, it would be more "I'm doing it and have an idea, can you guys help improve my idea?"

[andwhyisit]

This section isn't about "I have an idea, somebody do it." It's something more like "I'm doing it, somebody give me an idea."

Um.. no. It really isn't.

[S. P. Gardebiter]

No fire, it would be more "I'm doing it and have an idea, can you guys help improve my idea?"

No, because that would be a mod thread >_>
We were talking about guys who ONLY have ideas, not everything else.
I'm still aware of it beeing either spammed by noobs with no creative aspect, or it will be not active enough because it doesn't seem to be attractive enough.

I still have no idea, why you guys want this section of all a sudden.

Just because I closed two threads, were one of them was a normal mod thread?

[andwhyisit]

No, because that would be a mod thread >_>
We were talking about guys who ONLY have ideas, not everything else.
I'm still aware of it beeing either spammed by noobs with no creative aspect, or it will be not active enough because it doesn't seem to be attractive enough.

I still have no idea, why you guys want this section of all a sudden.

Just because I closed two threads, were one of them was a normal mod thread?

No a mod thread is "this is my mod" and "this is the mod's current stage of development". In other words it is a mod showcase thread. -_- Some people suggest ideas, sure, but that has nothing to do with the ideas forum.

The ideas forum is about submitting a thread with an idea so that others can build upon that idea. If you outright ask for ideas or try to post a mod thread then your thread will be either locked, moved, or merged. This stops the section from being abused. Also if the ideas section doesn't work out then you could merge it back in with the "random ideas topic of doom", so there is no reason not to try.

As for guys that only have ideas, that is fine, we want ideas, that is the whole point. If an idea doesn't get used it can still inspire someone else.

I have no idea (pun not intended) what inspired this. I am only here because I support the idea of an "Ideas forum".

And I addressed most of this 6 posts ago:
http://www.cavestory...97&postcount=11

[Noxid]

Issue 1: the Random Ideas Topic is there for this sort of shenanigans

I'm going to have to say that the Random Ideas topic is dumb, for reasons already mentioned multiple times by others and myself. Even the name makes it sound like a terrible place to post good ideas, for goodness sakes.

Issue 2: Concern over an influx of newbs and noobs.

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Issue 3: Concern over an unwieldy level of spamalicious content

Would it really be that different than it is now? Just pegging on a new section isn't going to increase the traffic at all. There are about 220 threads in the mods showcase forum, less than a half-dozen that could be considered "complete" (counting things like boss rush and hard mode), and like 33 demos of considerable enough length to get mentioned in the list. I really have no clue as to how many of those 220 have NO demo, but I'm certain it's got to be more than half. On top of that, I'm sure there's tons of locked or forgotten ideas threads amongst the 400+ in the "hacking/modding" subsection itself. Cave Story modding isn't exactly a huge thing, you know. I doubt that having a new subsection would change these statistics much, if at all. In my opinion, having the ideas section would lead to less clutter in the actual mod showcase forum and modding/hacking forums, since these conceptual-stage threads would have a place to go and not get stuck in amongst the ones with demos and content.

Issue 4: General lack of understanding by certain persons as to the object of the section

The point is for the section to be a sort of catch-all for early stages of mod development I think. Currently this stuff goes into one of the two modding sections anyway. If there were some modifications and clarification as to the guidelines as to what belongs in each section then as I see it a new section can only improve the organization of the hacking & modding side of the forums. If you're worried about the chaos, set some rules or guidelines. Maybe you could provide some info to make people aware that modding is serious business and you probably shouldn't bother unless you are REALLY committed? I'm not entirely sure what could be a good compromise between flexiblity and control but really, I'm certain something agreeable could be reached.

Issue 5: The only requirement for a mod thread is a screenshot

I understand how you're emphasizing this requirement, it's really not much. Since it's SO minimal, in fact, it really acts only as a filter for those who aren't aware of that specific qualification. I mean, for instance, I could take 10 minutes and hodge together a screenshot for "Crave Story: Chako's Quest" and put it up and I'd be okay, when all I've got is the name? How is that showing any more initiative than somebody with a well-formulated idea that shows planning, enthusiasm and an understanding of the commitment involved? Even with this rule we still get a) terrible mods and b) uncomplete or even demo-less mods all the time.

[S. P. Gardebiter]

No a mod thread is "this is my mod" and "this is the mod's current stage of development". In other words it is a mod showcase thread. -_- Some people suggest ideas, sure, but that has nothing to do with the ideas forum.

Did you read Lace's post?
I guess you didn't -_-

No fire, it would be more "I'm doing it and have an idea, can you guys help improve my idea?"

It sounds like: "I'm doing a mod (it) and have an idea for it", that would be a mod thread not an idea thread. An Idea thread is only about ideas, not about mods.

The ideas forum is about submitting a thread with an idea so that others can build upon that idea.

How often do you people want to repeat it? Seriously? I can sing it while sleeping already.

And I addressed most of this 6 posts ago:
http://www.cavestory...97&postcount=11

Then stop repeating yourself. Because it makes me think you guys think, I'm fucking dumb.

[Schokobecher]

http://www.cavestory...isplay.php?f=87

Look at you, Hacker.